Cards sign CB Darqueze Dennard

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When was it better?

Last year was the Ghost of P2, Murphy, the rotting corpse of Dre Kirkpatrick, Kevin Peterson, Bausby/Whitaker for 1 game and the exhumed body of Jonathan Joseph. The year before was even worse with rookie Murphy mostly outside, P2 out 6 games, Tremaine Brock starting and Chris Jones and Kevin Peterson playing significant snaps.

This CB room is much better on paper.

Some people seem to have changed their whole outlook of this CB room because P2 was removed. I swear if P2 was still here those complaining would be saying it's a good room, but P2 has been trash since 2018.

And outside P2 in 2018 that CB room was even worse. Bene Benwikere, Jamar Taylor, David Amerson, Brandon Williams. Has any of them played a snap in the league since? :barf:

That says all I need to know. This isn't a good CB room; we hope it's an AVERAGE CB room. With our pass rush options, average SHOULD suffice. The problem is, spit and baling wire isn't a good way to go about such an important position. And adding a never-has been to a hasn't-played-in-years doesn't at all fill the gaping #2 hole. We've got a lot of depth in the "wing and a prayer" position, just not starter depth.
 

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Seems to me that teams that want to throw more against Arizona might quickly change their tune when their QB's "go down" a few times. And for the argument that they'll throw a lot of short passes so that their QB's can get the ball out quicker, we'll soon see how good our two most recent first round picks really are. JMO.
 

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That says all I need to know. This isn't a good CB room; we hope it's an AVERAGE CB room. With our pass rush options, average SHOULD suffice. The problem is, spit and baling wire isn't a good way to go about such an important position. And adding a never-has been to a hasn't-played-in-years doesn't at all fill the gaping #2 hole. We've got a lot of depth in the "wing and a prayer" position, just not starter depth.

Maybe, maybe not, but that doesn't change the fact that this group is better than any group since at least 2017, and I don't recall so much navel gazing over cornerbacks the last 3 years.

It's as if the removal of P2 has people suddenly concerned when he's been garbage for 2 years. The guy we brought in to replace him has been better both those years and costs us 25% what P2 did.

Butler > P2
Dennard > Kirkpatrick
Alford > Kevin Peterson
Gowan and Wilson > All the trash we had in that room recently
 

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Dennard is very limited. He never developed when given numerous opportunities. He is best in the slot. So he provides a little injury depth there. I don’t put any stock in this allowing them to move Murphy outside. He is simply not smooth enough coming out of breaks to handle the vast majority of outside receivers. He’s better moving through the inside traffic that is more common with slot receivers. He also has more help inside and plays more confidently it would seem. Again the Cards are assuming that a power pass rush will compensate. Historically that has not proved true but perhaps they can make it work good enough to keep them in most games. It won’t take long to find out as I expect teams to challenge through the air very quickly.

I'm not sure how anyone can look at this room as a downgrade on what we had last year and last year's defense finished 10th in air yards allowed and conceded the least air yards of any team on the road.

Both P2 and Kirkpatrick had career bad years. Murphy was average. Neither linebacker could cover. And our depth was has been's and fringe 53 guys. That's not to say our current room is awesome, but last year's was bad.

It may well do worse because it's a different schedule and part of these stats is luck of the draw, but on paper this is not a worse CB room.
 

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Maybe, maybe not, but that doesn't change the fact that this group is better than any group since at least 2017, and I don't recall so much navel gazing over cornerbacks the last 3 years.

It's as if the removal of P2 has people suddenly concerned when he's been garbage for 2 years. The guy we brought in to replace him has been better both those years and costs us 25% what P2 did.

Butler > P2
Dennard > Kirkpatrick
Alford > Kevin Peterson
Gowan and Wilson > All the trash we had in that room recently

Speculation can be accepted as fact? That's news to me.
 

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Speculation can be accepted as fact? That's news to me.

How is it speculation to say this group is clearly an upgrade on the garbage groups we had the last few years? It's clearly obvious.

Which CB group from the last 3 years do you consider better?
 

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How is it speculation to say this group is clearly an upgrade on the garbage groups we had the last few years? It's clearly obvious.

Which CB group from the last 3 years do you consider better?

you’re just saying it’s not speculative but a fact of player’s ratings for the year? I agree
 

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How is it speculation to say this group is clearly an upgrade on the garbage groups we had the last few years? It's clearly obvious.

Which CB group from the last 3 years do you consider better?

is this really something to crow about though? Our CB room has been pretty barren for years. The idea that this group is just as good or maybe a little better kinda sucks when you’re going “ALL IN” and still have A LOT of cap room to burn.
 

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is this really something to crow about though? Our CB room has been pretty barren for years. The idea that this group is just as good or maybe a little better kinda sucks when you’re going “ALL IN” and still have A LOT of cap room to burn.

There isn't A LOT of cap room to burn, especially when Dennard is about as good as the best guys available, who probably want more money.

This group is probably better than last years group. The DL with Watt is MASSIVELY better than last years group. The OLBs aren't as good. ILB should be improved since the corpse of Hicks won't play anymore.
 

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There isn't A LOT of cap room to burn, especially when Dennard is about as good as the best guys available, who probably want more money.

This group is probably better than last years group. The DL with Watt is MASSIVELY better than last years group. The OLBs aren't as good. ILB should be improved since the corpse of Hicks won't play anymore.

didn’t we still have like 15 million dollars in cap room prior to thus signing?
 

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didn’t we still have like 15 million dollars in cap room prior to thus signing?
No.

Plus you have to figure that the team will carry over cap space.

If Dennard is close to the best available, it's a win to sign him. Keim at least has shown his vet free agent signings usually are pretty good.
 

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I think you need a dictionary.

I mean, I can read statistics and players grades. So explain to me how it's speculation that this room isn't better. Then do what nobody else has done. Tell me how any of the CB rooms from the last 3 years are better.
 

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is this really something to crow about though? Our CB room has been pretty barren for years. The idea that this group is just as good or maybe a little better kinda sucks when you’re going “ALL IN” and still have A LOT of cap room to burn.

We had $10m functional cap space before Dennard was signed. How is that cap space to burn? Considering they need to have at least $5m for injury replacements.

The official figure was $13m but that's a mirage caused by the top 51 rule. The reality was something like $10.3m when you account for the eventual 53.
 
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