Cards plan to play Scho

[AsUpRoDiGy]

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/car...a-cardinals-joey-porter-obrien-schofield.html

Notable:

Outside linebacker Joey Porter is playing too much because his backup, O'Brien Schofield, hasn't developed as quickly as hoped.
That dynamic, however, could begin to change Sunday against the Minnesota Vikings in Minneapolis. Porter, 34, has played better early in games than late, and coaches plan to pay closer attention to the amount of time he's on the field.

That means more snaps for Schofield, a fourth-round draft pick in 2010, and Sam Acho, a fourth-round pick this year.
Porter "was out of gas" at the end of last week's loss to the New York Giants, coach Ken Whisenhunt said, "so we've got to do a better job of managing him during the week as well as on game day."

This was a long time waiting to happen. Porter is clearly ineffective, and the only way for Schofield to improve is to get actual playing time. Hopefully Scho can utilize his speed and help out this much maligned pass rush.

 

[Krangodnzr]

As people like Joeshmo have pointed out, it takes 3-4 OLBs YEARS to develop generally. You have rare athletes like Demarcus Ware and Matthews that can play right away, but nearly everyone else struggles at first.

IMO we've seen enough of Joey Porter. It's almost impossible that Scho will be worse as a pass rusher than Porter.

 

[Shane]

As people like Joeshmo have pointed out, it takes 3-4 OLBs YEARS to develop generally. You have rare athletes like Demarcus Ware and Matthews that can play right away, but nearly everyone else struggles at first.

IMO we've seen enough of Joey Porter. It's almost impossible that Scho will be worse as a pass rusher than Porter.

Acho isn't Porters back up

 

[Krangodnzr]

Acho isn't Porters back up

I think you need to reread my post and then come back to me when your comprehension improves.

 

[AsUpRoDiGy]

Acho isn't Porters back up

Scho=Schofield. Acho was not mentioned

 

[D-Dogg]

ABOUT EFFING TIME!!!!

Now bounce BK from the starting lineup, Levi to RT and Bridges to LT and I might just think the Cardinals heads are taking a respite from their normal anal resting position.

 

[WildBB]

Notable:

Quote:

Outside linebacker Joey Porter is playing too much because his backup, O'Brien Schofield, hasn't developed as quickly as hoped.
That dynamic, however, could begin to change Sunday against the Minnesota Vikings in Minneapolis. Porter, 34, has played better early in games than late, and coaches plan to pay closer attention to the amount of time he's on the field.

That means more snaps for Schofield, a fourth-round draft pick in 2010, and Sam Acho, a fourth-round pick this year.
Porter "was out of gas" at the end of last week's loss to the New York Giants, coach Ken Whisenhunt said, "so we've got to do a better job of managing him during the week as well as on game day."

It takes them viewing tape of the game to figure this out. sheeezzz. How about thinking while it's happening?!

 

[BigRedRage]

ill believe it when I see it. Heard this song before.

 

[JeffGollin]

This was a long time waiting to h...ve Scohawk more snaps later in games.[/COLOR]

 

[LarryStalling]

I think there's a bit of overreaction here.

They're not 100% replacing Porter with Schofield. At least for now, all the Cardinals plan to do is monitor Peezies' playing time and give Scohawk more snaps later in games.

I am not entirely sure that is the procession that I would use, but time will tell I guess.

 

[AsUpRoDiGy]

I think there's a bit of overreaction here.

They're not 100% replacing Porter with Schofield. At least for now, all the Cardinals plan to do is monitor Peezies' playing time and give Scohawk more snaps later in games.

No one ever said Schofield was getting ALL the playing time, however, Scho probably only gets about 5 plays/game right now. Our OLB's are the worst in the league, and this team needs young resurgence. The more playing time Schofield can get, the better our defense will be.

 

[Covert Rain]

Porter has not been Porter since he was at Miami. He should be a rotation player much like Bertrand was at the end of his career. The Cards have been stupid relying so much on him.

 

[Chopper0080]

In a defense that is based on making reads on the field, you can't really blame the Cardinals for being hesitant in putting Schofield on the field when he has admitted that he is struggling learning the defense. Throwing him in the fire is a wonderfull idea, but can lead to a very unstable scheme.

I have said for a while now that the blame really is on Schofield. He is a significantly better athlete than Porter, and has had the opportunity for a while now to demonstrate to the Cardinals that he is the better option. It took the coaches coming to him and recommending that he use a wrist band to get him to this point because he wasn't grasping the defense fast enough. Hopefully this verbal vote of confidence is an affirmation from the coaches that he is starting to get a handle on things defensively.

 

[Cheesebeef]

In a defense that is based on making reads on the field, you can't really blame the Cardinals for being hesitant in putting Schofield on the field when he has admitted that he is struggling learning the defense. Throwing him in the fire is a wonderfull idea, but can lead to a very unstable scheme.

this is all well and good... if the scheme didn't suck already with Porter in there. that being said, it gives me zero confidence in Scho that he can't get in there because he's that clueless.

 

[az1965]

Why do we suck in drafting LBers minus Washington who appears to be above average but still has ton to prove. Schofield was supposed to be a first round pick had he not blown his knee in his senior year. Yet, he appears to be struggling so much that he cannot replace a non-existent, over-the-hill Porter.

Recent failures Cody Brown, Will Davis, Buster Davis who did not even make past training camp. And there is a long list before these.

 

[SoCal Cardfan]

Why do we suck in drafting LBers minus Washington who appears to be above average but still has ton to prove. Schofield was supposed to be a first round pick had he not blown his knee in his senior year. Yet, he appears to be struggling so much that he cannot replace a non-existent, over-the-hill Porter.

Recent failures Cody Brown, Will Davis, Buster Davis who did not even make past training camp. And there is a long list before these.

In Rod We Bust!

 

[conraddobler]

Why do we suck in drafting LBers minus Washington who appears to be above average but still has ton to prove. Schofield was supposed to be a first round pick had he not blown his knee in his senior year. Yet, he appears to be struggling so much that he cannot replace a non-existent, over-the-hill Porter.

Recent failures Cody Brown, Will Davis, Buster Davis who did not even make past training camp. And there is a long list before these.

Buster Davis...

I still chuckle at that one.

I think Rod was just messing with us on that one, how about next we draft a kicker name Isiaha Shanker or a WR name Edward Skillethands or a LT name Levi Brown.

 

[Chopper0080]

For the record, I don't believe that Schofield is a bust, he just doesn't know the scheme yet which can take time for players. James Harrison struggled for years to learn a very similar scheme in Pittsburgh. I am confident that he will get it eventually, just not sold on it being this year.

 

[WisconsinCard]

For the record, I don't believe that Schofield is a bust, he just doesn't know the scheme yet which can take time for players. James Harrison struggled for years to learn a very similar scheme in Pittsburgh. I am confident that he will get it eventually, just not sold on it being this year.

All good points and just to add to it, usually takes 1 1/2 to 2 years to come back 100% from knee surgury.

 

[kerouac9]

For the record, I don't believe that Schofield is a bust, he just doesn't know the scheme yet which can take time for players. James Harrison struggled for years to learn a very similar scheme in Pittsburgh. I am confident that he will get it eventually, just not sold on it being this year.

Then (again) you have to question the wisdom of bringing in a new coordinator in a shortened offseason to install a scheme where 8-10 starting defensive players have no idea what their responsibilities are and a number are being played in ways that don't highlight their strengths.

And the wisdom of a coordinator who knows that he's going to have a new group of players starting from scratch in a very short time frame in how to install a package that takes many players years to be even adequate in--much less master.

And the wisdom of a head coach to scapegoat the defensive coordinator who was asked to succeed after his roster was gutted of effective playmakers and replaced with a group of people who are buying homes in Friendship Village and Leisure World.

And the wisdom of a front office who sat idly by and allowed all of this to happen.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Then (again) you have to question the wisdom of bringing in a new coordinator in a shortened offseason to install a scheme where 8-10 starting defensive players have no idea what their responsibilities are and a number are being played in ways that don't highlight their strengths.

And the wisdom of a coordinator who knows that he's going to have a new group of players starting from scratch in a very short time frame in how to install a package that takes many players years to be even adequate in--much less master.

And the wisdom of a head coach to scapegoat the defensive coordinator who was asked to succeed after his roster was gutted of effective playmakers and replaced with a group of people who are buying homes in Friendship Village and Leisure World.

And the wisdom of a front office who sat idly by and allowed all of this to happen.

agreed with all of the above.

 

[PJ1]

It is really nice that Whis now recognizes the fact that Porter wears down and shouldn't be playing so much. We have all been saying this for a year now.

Stevie Wonder could make this observation.

 

[AsUpRoDiGy]

It is really nice that Whis now recognizes the fact that Porter wears down and shouldn't be playing so much. We have all been saying this for a year now. Stevie Wonder could make this observation.

Coaches in Miami even used him sparingly, so it's not as if he just died out, he's been on the decline for several years now. This coaching staff is oblivious to everything it seems like, as well as the FO. The entire organization needs to gut everything, coaches, management etc... It's the only way to look towards the future of the team, and at least have a chance for success. Graves has had too much time to build a contending team, and we're only getting worse.

 

[Dayman]

It's about time.

Somers mentioned that the Giants were double teaming Scho last week. When was the last time an offense dedicated two blockers to Porter? A lot of the time, tight ends block him out of plays.

This is Bryan Robinson/Dan Williams all over again. Is it better to have a guy out of position on a couple of plays or to have a guy who's in the right place but ineffective 90% of the time he's on the field? Whis seems to side with the latter theory, which has led to this dubious honor:

The Arizona Cardinals have the oldest roster in the league by average age, right ahead of the Pittsburgh Steelers. Coach Ken Whisenhunt has sought to pattern the Cardinals after the Steelers, but age is working against both teams on defense in particular. Two former Steelers, Joey Porter and Clark Haggans, remain the best outside pass-rushers on the Cardinals' defense despite their advancing age.

So not only are we bad, we're old. The oldest, actually. It's time to let the young guys play through mistakes and develop some youth. The Porter to Scho transition is a good start.

 

[DoTheDew]

Then (again) you have to question the wisdom of bringing in a new coordinator in a shortened offseason to install a scheme where 8-10 starting defensive players have no idea what their responsibilities are and a number are being played in ways that don't highlight their strengths.

Cards signed Horton before the lockout and couldn't possibly know how much or little time he'd have to train his players. Sitting on their hands wouldn't have been a better idea. What would you have done instead? Brought back Bill Davis to stink it up? With the lockout, our defense was going to suck this year regardless. Better to get a head start on their development for 2012 IMO.