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Cheesebeef said:
Just because the Heat make stupid financial decisions doesn’t mean the Suns should also.
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I think Booker is on a far higher tier, but yeah, one bad contract does not justify another.

I think Booker is a max guy... but not a super max guy.

While I think Herro is a homeless man's Buddy Hield.

Barring a major injury, I don't see a scenario where Booker becomes an albatross contract. He's an multi time all star, he's in his prime and he is FAR better than a bunch of guys who have been moved in recent years on similar deals.
 
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95pro said:
This feels like they did it way too early. Run it back one more season, but so soon and so sudden it feels like a knee jerk reaction.
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Especially without a strong candidate in place. Anything other than Jay Wright, whose interest is questionable at best, will be seen as a failure.

Wright can command a boatload of money if he plays this right. Thibs got an extension before the season and is still owed $30 million also. Dolan will be ponying up some cash next year but the Knicks are capable of operating in a different world than other teams financially.
 
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95pro said:
This feels like they did it way too early. Run it back one more season, but so soon and so sudden it feels like a knee jerk reaction.
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I think it was the right call. Thibs probably gets my vote as the best Assistant Coach in the game but he has a couple major flaws as a Head Coach. And when rumblings came out earlier this year about player dissatisfaction because of playing the starters too many minutes and not giving the bench enough court time, his firing was probably only savable by winning it all.
 
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Phrazbit said:
My opinion of him as a player is extremely low.

Like... take Clay Thompson, and remove every semblance of him as a defender, make him far more inconsistent.. and you've got Herro.

IMO, Miami's front office has been really good with controlling their cap, but this is a huge mistake. They were flat out better without him during that finals run a couple years back.

He is one of many players who COULD be a contributor if they recognized their role, but they don't and they think they're a superstar because when they're hot they can put up monster points. However... when they're NOT hot, they suck, and they use this idea of them being a star as an excuse for how terrible they are at all the things that matter... passing, defense, ect ect.
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Overall, I think salaries are going up for players whose value is beyond the MLE.

However, Herro, averaged 23.9 points, 5.2 rebounds and 5.5 assists at age 25. Teams have to keep their best players if they hope to contend.
 
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Mainstreet said:
Overall, I think salaries are going up for players whose value is beyond the MLE.

However, Herro, averaged 23.9 points, 5.2 rebounds and 5.5 assists at age 25. Teams have to keep their best players if they hope to contend.
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Herro is an All-Star and more worthy of the max than guys like LaVine but I wouldn't want my team paying it. He doesn't seem like a #1 or #2 on a winning team. He can be a #3 but I think he's most valuable as a Sixth Man. He's not worth more than Bam is in Miami. I'd be surprised if Riley overpays him without some deal in place where they could get out from it ahead. Herro wasn't even good enough to be the main piece for Lillard 2 years ago so this seems questionable.

I agree though we'll see bigger gaps between the pay for stars and role players going forward. The tax penalties are too great now for teams to spend frivolously like the Suns or the Warriors had.
 
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elindholm said:
I'm not a Jordan slobberer, but for me it's the Boomer team pretty comfortably. That's basically the original Dream Team plus Olajuwon.
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For me it goes:

1. Boomers
2. X (X VERY close to Boomers)
3. Millennials (would make an interesting series with either Boomers or X)
4. Z a distant last
(Don’t rate silent because I just don’t possess the firsthand knowledge to make a judgment).
 
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Mainstreet said:
If Tyler Herro gets paid nearly $150 million over three seasons, we may have to get over the sticker shock of paying Devin Booker.

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Just have to start ignoring the raw numbers in the nba and concentrate on how they compare to one and other. The raw numbers have reached the absurd. Context is only thing that matters.
 
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Phrazbit said:
I think Booker is on a far higher tier, but yeah, one bad contract does not justify another.

I think Booker is a max guy... but not a super max guy.

While I think Herro is a homeless man's Buddy Hield.

Barring a major injury, I don't see a scenario where Booker becomes an albatross contract. He's an multi time all star, he's in his prime and he is FAR better than a bunch of guys who have been moved in recent years on similar deals.
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I hope you’re right. Problem is that ridiculous contract won’t happen in a vacuum.

My fear is this team is gonna be a trainwreck for years, and in a couple years when Booker starts barking about wanting out (or the team finally removes their heads from their asses and realizes they have to completely rebuild) he will start to look and be regarded as an empty stat guy like he was pre-CP3, leading terrible teams nowhere, while also being older at the middle/end of his prime all of which lowers his value. And then when we try to move his 70+ million a year deal, cap apron restrictions will come into play with other teams trying swallow that beast of a contract for a fading/sometime All-Star and we’ll get pennys on the dollar if cap restrictions don’t kill any good deal that’s even possible at that point.
 
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Yuma said:
PHNX is saying Giannis staying with Buck per the Mark Stein substack. Makes KD the top trade target now.
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they could be just building up giannis' value - all you have to do is ask most any smart star player and they'll say they'd like to stay

you get alot more for a non-disgruntled player - when you're not dealing from a position if desperation - not everyone is dumb as the suns
 
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Yuma said:
PHNX is saying Giannis staying with Buck per the Mark Stein substack. Makes KD the top trade target now.
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Stein has been wrong before.

Like BGT said they want to build up value, Giannis lowered his value already by saying he’s open to moving to a new team.
 
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Hoop Head said:
Herro is an All-Star and more worthy of the max than guys like LaVine but I wouldn't want my team paying it. He doesn't seem like a #1 or #2 on a winning team. He can be a #3 but I think he's most valuable as a Sixth Man. He's not worth more than Bam is in Miami. I'd be surprised if Riley overpays him without some deal in place where they could get out from it ahead. Herro wasn't even good enough to be the main piece for Lillard 2 years ago so this seems questionable.

I agree though we'll see bigger gaps between the pay for stars and role players going forward. The tax penalties are too great now for teams to spend frivolously like the Suns or the Warriors had.
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I cannot say I agree. Herro is no better than LaVine, in fact I think he is a bit worse. At this point Herro has proven to me he isn't a guy, he is a supporting player.

There really is nothing the Heat have to offer that I particularly want.
 
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