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I think I lean towards the Gen X team (plus Nash minus Iverson) because they’ve got four good to flat out great defenders to go with incredible offensive players. The Boomers obviously have the elite of the elite offense too and Jordan and Olajuwon are as elite as defenders get, but Magic/Barkley/Bird would make them a little shakier on D.

And on second thought, if I’m using D to slightly discount the Boomers, I’d have to drop the Millenials to 3rd with both Harden, Stef and Joker either being liabilities or average at best on that side of the court. But between LeBron, Joker, Harden and Stef, that team’s passing would be out this world.

The Gen Z team is too young at this point to even really be in the convo… especially because Giannis is laughably left off it.

Bird was a really good defender for most of his career until his back got too screwed up. He was on a few all defensive teams and the metric stats love Bird as a defender, he led all of basketball in defensive win shares 4 different times.
 

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Bird was a really good defender for most of his career until his back got too screwed up. He was on a few all defensive teams and the metric stats love Bird as a defender, he led all of basketball in defensive win shares 4 different times.
Yeah… I prob give Bird too little credit there. And his craftiness could probably get in KG’s head if those guys were going head to head.

Those two teams are razor close.
 

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I think I lean towards the Gen X team (plus Nash minus Iverson) because they’ve got four good to flat out great defenders to go with incredible offensive players. The Boomers obviously have the elite of the elite offense too and Jordan and Olajuwon are as elite as defenders get, but Magic/Barkley/Bird would make them a little shakier on D.

You have O'Neal as a good defender?

I don't feel like the Gen X team fits well. Garnett is the odd man out for me. Aside from bringing more length and a little more mid-range, he doesn't do anything Duncan doesn't. I agree with Nash over Iverson, but Nash would still be somewhat reduced in effectiveness because he's at his best when he a whole range of different kinds of options, and this group of teammates wouldn't provide that.

My other problem with the Gen X team is offensive efficiency. I respect Bryant, but the reality is that he's not in the same league in terms of efficiency compared to most of the other scorers in that graphic. And they don't have anyone who is at Bird's level as a deep threat.

The Millenials are out because you have two players of highly questionable heart and decision-making in Durant and Harden. That team would have real leadership questions if they were facing an opponent good enough to give them a real fight.

The Boomer team would also showcase terrific passing. The only one who wasn't a terrific passer was Barkley, and even he was no slouch. With Jordan, Magic, and Bird, you're talking about three of the most complete offensive players of all time, and all of them know how to make exactly the right play when they need to. It's true that they lack a little defensively, but both Magic and Bird were smart team defenders.
 

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To me it's between baby boomers and millennials, and it depends on whose rules are used.

With no 3 point shot the boomers would easily win against anyone.

Those Boomer teams could adapt to any style of play and win. Curry and Lebron are special, though.
 

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wow - thibs did suck when he left kat on the bench for almost the entire 4th quarter - also didn't utilize robinson against indiana - he kinda just let brunson run things while playing mikal 87 minutes a game lol - but the knicks aren't going to find a better coach
 

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Sell the team! *Clap clap clap* Sell the team!
 

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The Knicks have to be making a run at Jay Wright. It would be the only upgrade out there. They got his 'Nova squad assembled for the most part. He won't get a better shot in the pros.
 

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There were lot of people speculating about a Thibs firing but most people in the media were dismissive about it saying it's the the best season for NYK in literal decades. Guess that didn't matter.
 

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There were lot of people speculating about a Thibs firing but most people in the media were dismissive about it saying it's the the best season for NYK in literal decades. Guess that didn't matter.
i sure didn't think it'd happen - i thought they were maybe one more piece/year away from a finals run
 

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i sure didn't think it'd happen - i thought they were maybe one more piece/year away from a finals run
Yeah, they just made the ECF after adding 2 MAJOR pieces in the offseason, one right as training camp was starting. While Thibs' style contributed to the Pacers loss (lack of bench development, lack of offensive versatility), it was also a huge reason they got to the ECF in the first place. Thought he'd get at least one more year to try and sort things out.
 

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If Tyler Herro gets paid nearly $150 million over three seasons, we may have to get over the sticker shock of paying Devin Booker.

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If Tyler Herro gets paid nearly $150 million over three seasons, we may have to get over the sticker shock of paying Devin Booker.

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Just because the Heat make stupid financial decisions doesn’t mean the Suns should also.
 

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If Tyler Herro gets paid nearly $150 million over three seasons, we may have to get over the sticker shock of paying Devin Booker.

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My opinion of him as a player is extremely low.

Like... take Clay Thompson, and remove every semblance of him as a defender, make him far more inconsistent.. and you've got Herro.

IMO, Miami's front office has been really good with controlling their cap, but this is a huge mistake. They were flat out better without him during that finals run a couple years back.

He is one of many players who COULD be a contributor if they recognized their role, but they don't and they think they're a superstar because when they're hot they can put up monster points. However... when they're NOT hot, they suck, and they use this idea of them being a star as an excuse for how terrible they are at all the things that matter... passing, defense, ect ect.
 

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I don't know, I'm starting to lean Silent Generation right now.
Depends on which version of Wilt you get. The younger, angrier Wilt yes. Kareem was pretty solid all along. Funny thing is Kareem's parents sent him to live with Wilt to learn how to be an NBA pro. It's a miracle Kareem turned out as solid a human as he did after hanging out with Wilt.

Baby Boomers have scoring, GOAT, and Dream Team style.

I think it comes down to those two teams in a round robin playoff scenario.
 
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