2023 2nd round #41 pick is BJ Ojulari LB

[Cheesebeef]

I think that’s kind of a stretch

why? you don't think he's fresher coming in on limited snaps, really with only one job to attack the passer, as opposed to guys who are every down players?

 

[outcent13]

BJ has 282 defensive snaps.


Kobie Turner who has 5.5 sacks is at 486 defensive snaps

Will Anderson who has 5 sacks is at 546 defensive snaps

Byron Young who has 5 sacks is at 698 defensive snaps

He seemed stiff and slow to start the year but I guess it is to be expected coming off of a knee injury. He has looked much better over the last few weeks.

 

[outcent13]

Byron Young and Kobe Turner play on the same line as Aaron Donald.

Ojulari plays on the same line as Kevin strong.

 

[HairZach]

I love hyping up our rookie, but I think this thread demonstrates why its bad to measure an edge rushers impact by sacks alone.

 

[TheCardFan]

@Ronin - can we merge this thread with the BJ Ojulari draft thread to keep everything in one spot moving forward?

2023 2nd round #41 pick is BJ Ojulari LB

I'm all for the "high character, locker room leader" type of guys.. esp if they're a beast on the field. Love the pick. New culture incoming!

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[Ronin]

@Ronin - can we merge this thread with the BJ Ojulari draft thread to keep everything in one spot moving forward?

2023 2nd round #41 pick is BJ Ojulari LB

I'm all for the "high character, locker room leader" type of guys.. esp if they're a beast on the field. Love the pick. New culture incoming!

www.arizonasportsfans.com

Done

 

[Chopper0080]

I love hyping up our rookie, but I think this thread demonstrates why its bad to measure an edge rushers impact by sacks alone.

Yes. Ojulari has 4 sacks on 7 pressures which is Dennis Gardeck level unsustainable. Happy he is on the field and getting reps. Needs to become more impactful to be apart of the team's long term plans. Should have the time and opportunity to do so.

 

[slanidrac16]

I am beginning to believe in this solid rotation of guys on the front seven. Depending on one or two great players is fine until they get injured.

I also believe we have more than a couple of these rotational guys on this roster right now.

 

[kerouac9]

I am beginning to believe in this solid rotation of guys on the front seven. Depending on one or two great players is fine until they get injured. If

I also believe we have more than a couple of these rotational guys on this roster right now.

This is a very strange take to have about the 30th-ranked yardage and 25th-ranked points defense in the NFL. 31st vs the run; 12th vs the pass (raw yardage -- we're allowing opponents a 101.1 passer rating).

 

[slanidrac16]

This is a very strange take to have about the 30th-ranked yardage and 25th-ranked points defense in the NFL. 31st vs the run; 12th vs the pass (raw yardage -- we're allowing opponents a 101.1 passer rating).

There’s a lot that goes into this. I’m not saying we are close to being good yet but there are guys in this group to build on. BJ, Gardeck, Stills, White can be a part of that. If you’re waiting for us to sign Jones you’re setting yourself up for disappointment.
With injuries the way there are I’d rather have two very good players and 5 solid guys rather than 1 great player 3 decent guys and 4 bums.

 

[bankybruce]

why? you don't think he's fresher coming in on limited snaps, really with only one job to attack the passer, as opposed to guys who are every down players?

He's 20 years old, I would hope he'd look fresh with 20 plays or 60 plays.

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[ProdigalSun]

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takes a little sting out of not drafting Will Anderson

 

[Ronin]

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[Cheesebeef]

There’s a lot that goes into this. I’m not saying we are close to being good yet but there are guys in this group to build on. BJ, Gardeck, Stills, White can be a part of that. If you’re waiting for us to sign Jones you’re setting yourself up for disappointment.
With injuries the way there are I’d rather have two very good players and 5 solid guys rather than 1 great player 3 decent guys and 4 bums.

This is the same unbelievably flawed argument used this off-season when people talked themselves into Barbarian, Myjai Sanders, Thomas and other drek as for why we didn’t need to draft Will Anderson or go after an impact pass rusher.

 

[Stout]

This is the same unbelievably flawed argument used this off-season when people talked themselves into Barbarian, Myjai Sanders, Thomas and other drek as for why we didn’t need to draft Will Anderson or go after an impact pass rusher.

Poverty mindset. No stars needed.

 

[juza76]

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Someone talked about just 7 pressures, gardeck type of impact

 

[kerouac9]

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Not sure where that pressure number is coming from. PFR has him with seven.

 

[juza76]

Not sure where that pressure number is coming from. PFR has him with seven.

How do you describe a pressure? forcing the qb getting rid of the ball, how close he has to be ?
Some qb feel the pressure differently from others

 

[kerouac9]

How do you describe a pressure? forcing the qb getting rid of the ball, how close he has to be ?
Some qb feel the pressure differently from others

About Our Advanced Stats | Pro-Football-Reference.com

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• Pressures: QB pressures (hurries + knockdowns + sack plays). Note that "sack plays" in this instance include both sacks and assists.
• Hurried: Times QBs were hurried - defined as a situation when the QB is forced to throw the ball earlier than intended or is chased around/out of the pocket as the result of defensive pressure

 

[juza76]

About Our Advanced Stats | Pro-Football-Reference.com

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• Pressures: QB pressures (hurries + knockdowns + sack plays). Note that "sack plays" in this instance include both sacks and assists.
• Hurried: Times QBs were hurried - defined as a situation when the QB is forced to throw the ball earlier than intended or is chased around/out of the pocket as the result of defensive pressure

Thank u
So in the pressure numbers the sacks plays are like interceptions counted as pass deflections, even if some sites Just count deflectons without interceptions

 

[bankybruce]

Not sure where that pressure number is coming from. PFR has him with seven.

Football Reference, who I believe pulls directly from the NFL has him at 7 as well, plus 2 hurries and 4 sacks

 

[kerouac9]

Football Reference, who I believe pulls directly from the NFL has him at 7 as well, plus 2 hurries and 4 sacks

PFR is Pro Football Reference.

 

[kerouac9]

Guess who had more tackles yesterday:

BJ Ojulari
Or
Greg Dortch

 

[Cheesebeef]

Guess who had more tackles yesterday:

BJ Ojulari
Or
Greg Dortch

BJ had a nice two game stretch against Atlanta/Houston, but has pretty much been a ghost the entirety of the rest of the season.

 

[gimpy]

Guess who had more tackles yesterday:

BJ Ojulari
Or
Greg Dortch

Well, knowing you and how you asked the question, I would guess Dortch? But, I don't know, it's only a guess.