Discussion in 'Arizona Cardinals' started by BullheadCardFan, May 1, 2021.
Kind of hilarious from you.
I didn't like the pick at the time. I think it's fair to argue that guys that project to be nickel corners can't be value that high.
But it's saved slightly by there being no obvious players we missed on in that same vicinity.
You would rather have a bust if he played a different position, then a dude that is playing plenty? I'm sorry but that doesn't make any sense. I rather have a great kicker then a bust QB.
yeah. That is cutting off your nose to spite your face kinda thinking.
That's missing the point on what I'm saying...again...the point I'm making is that getting a good player at a pick isn't a loss EVER.
The criticism of trading down is obfuscating my point. Getting a player that plays a decade in the NFL and for a good chunk of his career and an above replacement level isn't a loss.
Byron Murphy isnt a bad player. He isn't a star, but he has made game winning plays.
Nickels play a substantial part of the game and are pretty much just as valuable as outside corners, which are the most valuable positions defensively for the most part.
“ positional Value” is a joke
the only position that matters is “ contributor on the roster”
you get two guys who are on the field for sixty percent of your snaps and that’s a win
get three and it’s a great draft
happen to get a pro bowler and it’s a fantastic draft
There's two different arguments here.
Positional value is real, so there is a pre draft (or just after the draft) argument to be made that on paper #33 is too high for a guy that's a nickel. I think that argument has some merit. Nickels don't play as many downs and they are often covering the lesser WR's, not always, but more often. Of the 3 CB positions Nickel is the least important, they are all important, but it is the least.
This is evidenced by the fact most people could rank the top 10 outside cornerbacks. Barely anyone could name 5 nickel corners, never mind rank the best ones. Brian Poole is universally considered top 5 and doesn't even have a team yet.
But then also you are correct that any pick that works out as a decent player is a good pick. So many don't. And I don't see much of an argument now for not drafting Murphy considering there's nobody drafted in that vicinity you can really say was an obvious better option.
Maybe nothing more than evidence of ignorance of how the position has become key to passing "D" in the modern game.
Perhaps not a loss, but it’s a failure to maximize. Again, at the high end of the first round you’re not seeking a contributor. You’re seeking a pro bowler.
I don't believe every second round corner should be able to cover any wr in the division at a high level. Standards are too high with that expectation on every guy imo
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I agree.... second round is the perfect spot for a slot corner.... you get your #1 in the top 15......#2 later in the first.... and your nickle back in the second
unless of course you get a steal
Or your coaches actually develop a guy
neither of which appear to fit the Cardinals M.O.
I get your point, but I feel like someone who is nearly in the first round should be at least potentially capable of starting in a primary role on a team. If we drafted a 3rd down RB or a DE whose only ability was stopping the run... I'd be just as unhappy with it. Well, assuming it wasn't your only hole. If you just missed a Super Bowl win and need someone who is going to take care of a few pesky players in your way, go for it.
The NFL disagrees. These are the guys considered to be some of the best Nickels in the league. Including the nickels of the top defenses from last year.
Kenny Moore II - Undrafted
Bryce Callahan - Undrafted
Desmond King - 5th round (151st pick)
Brian Poole - Undrafted
Jonathan Jones - Undrafted
Nickell Robey-Coleman - Undrafted
Chris Harris Jr - Undrafted
Mike Hilton - Undrafted
K'Wuan Williams - Undrafted
Troy Hill - Undrafted
Tavon Young - 4th round (104th pick)
Kendall Fuller - 3rd round (84th pick)
Chauncey Gardner Johnson - 4th round (105th pick)
The highest drafted slot corners I can find in the league is Sean Murphy-Bunting who went in the same draft as Murphy at #39 and Mackensie Alexander who was drafted at #54. The vast majority are undrafted, and what remains are mostly outside the top 100 picks.
Murphy, as far as I can see, if the highest drafted slot in the league.
Murphy is also still improving.
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