10 thoughts - Colts game

[kerouac9]

Again, I truly don't know what you are talking about. Nobody is going to cut him right after having guaranteed him a lot, but I am not talking about what teams want to do or not. I only explained you the rules.

You said that the team acquiring him takes on no additional guarantees after 2026 and that’s complete wrong

 

[Gandhi]

You said that the team acquiring him takes on no additional guarantees after 2026 and that’s complete wrong

I really don't want to waste my time with repeating the rules to you. You don't understand them (or you don't understand Murray's contract), and that's cool. You do you. The end.

 

[WisconsinCard]

THESMEL, is that you?

No it's Woody Hayes, IIRC.

 

[kerouac9]

I really don't want to waste my time with repeating the rules to you. You don't understand them (or you don't understand Murray's contract), and that's cool. You do you. The end.

Cool
Be wrong and ignorant then

 

[WisconsinCard]

I really don't want to waste my time with repeating the rules to you. You don't understand them (or you don't understand Murray's contract), and that's cool. You do you. The end.

I believe you are correct if they released him before the 5th day of the new league year 2027. They would owe him no further money.

 

[kerouac9]

I believe you are correct if they released him before the 5th day of the new league year 2026. They would owe him no further money.

He currently has $36MM in 2026 salary and bonuses already guaranteed. What are you talking about?

If he’s released before March 22, 2026, they’ll keep from having to pay his $19.5M 2027 salary. The 2026 league year starts March 11.

 

[Gandhi]

I believe you are correct if they released him before the 5th day of the new league year 2027. They would owe him no further money.

That is correct, WC. The selling team must pay all guarantees that are already triggered in the contract, no matter if the player is on another team.

I will say, I might have spoken too fast about the possibility of trading Murray in-season. I have been saying in some posts that he would be worth a first-round pick. I still think he might, but I am retracting a little bit. The reason is that a buying team will only have about 8 games to determine if Murray is worth paying a lot in cash in 2027, and if not, they will get a pretty big cap hit from releasing him. It is not really a problem with salary cap-implications, but it is still a thing. Do a new team want to deal with that?

The more likely scenario is that the Cardinals sell him after this season. If they do it after the new league year starts, as you mentioned, they will be on the hook for his guaranteed salary in 2027, but it is only 19.5 mllions – so less than Justin Fields earn, for example – and if they have a new guy on a rookie contract, the overall cost would still be significantly less than this year. If it happens this way, a new team will owe Murray 0 dollars, and if they cut him after the 2026-season, they will get a minimal dead money-cap hit.

Another possibility for the Cardinals is that they can simply cut him after this season and get away with only taking on the dead money-hit with very little issues. It would actually save them cash.

 

[phillycard]

That is correct, WC. The selling team must pay all guarantees that are already triggered in the contract, no matter if the player is on another team.

I will say, I might have spoken too fast about the possibility of trading Murray in-season. I have been saying in some posts that he would be worth a first-round pick. I still think he might, but I am retracting a little bit. The reason is that a buying team will only have about 8 games to determine if Murray is worth paying a lot in cash in 2027, and if not, they will get a pretty big cap hit from releasing him. It is not really a problem with salary cap-implications, but it is still a thing. Do a new team want to deal with that?

The more likely scenario is that the Cardinals sell him after this season. If they do it after the new league year starts, as you mentioned, they will be on the hook for his guaranteed salary in 2027, but it is only 19.5 mllions – so less than Justin Fields earn, for example – and if they have a new guy on a rookie contract, the overall cost would still be significantly less than this year. If it happens this way, a new team will owe Murray 0 dollars, and if they cut him after the 2026-season, they will get a minimal dead money-cap hit.

Another possibility for the Cardinals is that they can simply cut him after this season and get away with only taking on the dead money-hit with very little issues. It would actually save them cash.

Thanks for all of this info. I have zero knowledge of salary cap implications and impacts on trade vs cuts, so I appreciate the discussion.

 

[kerouac9]

The selling team must pay all guarantees that are already triggered in the contract, no matter if the player is on another team.

Link?

 

[Goldfield]

I for one have been a Kyler supporter for the most part but I have seen enough. He’s talented, he flashes, but he also struggles at a lot of things. It’s time to move on trade him if you can and either trade for a QB or draft one.

 

[Totally_Red]

I for one have been a Kyler supporter for the most part but I have seen enough. He’s talented, he flashes, but he also struggles at a lot of things. It’s time to move on trade him if you can and either trade for a QB or draft one.

He has until the end of the season but there has been too much bad and not enough good.

It would be the Cardinal way to play just good enough to be drafting 18th.

 

[Gandhi]

Link?

As I told you before, I don’t want to keep explaining it when you don’t actually want to understand.

 

[kerouac9]

As I told you before, I don’t want to keep explaining it when you don’t actually want to understand.

So you’re making it up. It seems like teams having to pay go-forward guarantees on contracts would be kind of a thing that would be published.

 

[slanidrac16]

He excelled so much we lost with the ball in his hands at the end of the game and throwing a pick in the redzone before that.

That pick isn’t on him. And what is Kyler’s record….?