10 thoughts - Jaguars game

[BooksOrangePlanet]

idk if the '27 draft will be tremendously better for qbs - i don't know if i even buy into all the yearly rankings - i just know we aren't currently able to develop one - we'd likely never know what the qb is truly capable of - spare me the fluke scenarios where the rookie qb overachieves behind a defunct o-line - we have paris and.. we have paris

all 3 of our divisional opponents are better than us - a rookie qb behind this line doesn't solve anything- probably the opposite because then mcbride mhj and wilson all go back to starving

we don't have to tear the roster down to the studs again - find a stud dc who isn't on this bend and not break bs lemon fasting trend

let brissett's mediocreness lead the way next season - get the defense tuned up - and oh yeah get a lot of quality linemen

 

[Cheesebeef]

thats just such a misinformed "hey I want to see fancy plays" take.
a starting caliber LT is worth a top 5 pick every single year.
been a while since we had a legit NFL QB.... but without a starting caliber LT...even if we had one, we wouldnt have one.
Because somebody has to keep the franchise alive from those splashy pass rushers.

lol… this is beyond uninformed. It ain’t about just splashy plays. A great edge demands double teams, opens up opportunities for others on the defensive line and takes pressure off the secondary. He alone can wreak enough havoc without making a single sack that trickles down to the entire D. A great edge can transform an entire defense. And again, we LITERALLY saw him do that when in his first year he wasn’t a sack monster but racked up record rookie pressure numbers, great TFL numbers and was instantly the cornerstone for a revamped D that turned around a woeful Texan team and took them to the playoffs.

A good LT is totally dependent on still needing a franchise QB and other good players on an o-line to make his impact felt. Or have you been in a coma the last three seasons watching the impact or lack thereof having just a good LT has had on wins and losses without a franchise QB or other necessary parts around him to let him shine?

 

[some dumb guy]

Is it a rule that the team cannot do both?

It's a Cardinal rule...LOL

 

[Harry]

1 - Through 25 years, the record was 50-0 when a team had a +4 turnover differential. And that was 50-0.

2 - Jalen Thompson, MVP.

3 - Considering how great your punter and defense were playing, Gannon’s decision to go for it on 4th down from their own red zone at the end of the fourth quarter, with three timeouts and the two-minute warning left, can best be described as fullblown incompetence. There’s aggressive and then there’s stupid.

4 - Congratulations to the Cardinals on hitting the 400 day-mark since they last beat a team with a winning record. Truly remarkable.

5 - Until Harrison show he’s good, in my mind Michael Wilson is the #2 receiver.

6 - Hjalte Froholdt played up to his level from last season. Very encouraging.

7 - Forget the results for a second. If you do not fight for Brissett with everything you got, you should not be in the NFL. Warrior.

8 - Paris Johnson is fine, but he has not been worth the #6 overall pick.

9 - Denzel Burke has been my guy since pre-draft, so I am happy that he got 100% of the defensive snaps. There’s a case to be made that Burke is your #2 CB when Will Johnson is out.

10 - People should stop arguing that the 2027 QB draft will be so fantastically, amazingly wonderful. Who the hell knows? Some months ago it was universal consensus that Drew Allar, Cade Klubnik, and Garrett Nussmeier would be first-round picks in 2026. Now it would be a surprise if even one of them is.

No, Brissett is not your long-term answer, so you get a quarterback this offseason. Don’t f*** around.

2 No
3 Tough call. Defense has failed game after game at critical time
5 It’s just a label. You throw to the open guy
6 He’s fine when he’s pulling but wanting as a drive blocker
7 Best choice at the moment
8 Disagree
9 He’s a sound tackler and plays well in zone. In man a liability. Okay backup
10 2027 a crap shoot on quality of the QB pool.

 

[Harry]

Is it a rule that the team cannot do both?

If you’re taking a QB to sit a year, you can still fix line.

 

[Russ Smith]

Is it a rule we can only draft offensive linemen? Trades and FA signings aren't allowed?

Of course not. But the 3 guys we need to replace Evan Brown, Will H and Jonah Williams, were all signed as FA's.

I think it's gotten tougher and tougher to get good OL's as FA's when you get one they're almost always available for a reason. Will before he knee injury was the rare exception for us a FA who played well.

The most likely scenario is getting a RT and one G in the draft and either Will comes all the way back from his knee, which seems unlikely, or find a G in FA for the other G spot. I do think we need to operate under the assumption to "fix" the OL we need to replace those 3 positions. We don't have the replacement on the roster that I'm aware of

 

[50 year card fan]

---Spend all existing cap on RG and LG (Fro is ok for 1 more)
---Draft RT
---Need depth at LB in Round 3 or FA
---2027--sign younger version of JB
---find depth at RB with FA

 

[Stout]

If you’re taking a QB to sit a year, you can still fix line.

Exactly. Let's snag a QB, start Brissett, and see where it goes from there.

 

[phillycard]

5 - Until Harrison show he’s good, in my mind Michael Wilson is the #2 receiver.


8 - Paris Johnson is fine, but he has not been worth the #6 overall pick.

5 - Do you mean MW is #1?

8- Ehhh, disagree a bit. His problems are worsened by the ineptitude of the line in general. I've been please with him thus far.

 

[slanidrac16]

10 The system would be different if we replaced JG with an offensive-minded head coach or at least replaced Petzing with a different offensive coordinator. If Petzing is back next season (or replaced with someone quite similar), then we could be drafting a quarterback who doesn't fit the next coaching staff's system (assuming JG is fired after the 2026 season).

Agree. But look at the Bears. They drafted Williams. He took his lumps and many times looked like a mistake. Along comes Ben Johnson and he’s a totally different Qb.
Systems and coaching makes a huge difference. Is there another offensive genius out there like Ben Johnson.

It also helped there GM replaced 60% of the offensive line.

 

[slanidrac16]

idk if the '27 draft will be tremendously better for qbs - i don't know if i even buy into all the yearly rankings - i just know we aren't currently able to develop one - we'd likely never know what the qb is truly capable of - spare me the fluke scenarios where the rookie qb overachieves behind a defunct o-line - we have paris and.. we have paris

all 3 of our divisional opponents are better than us - a rookie qb behind this line doesn't solve anything- probably the opposite because then mcbride mhj and wilson all go back to starving

we don't have to tear the roster down to the studs again - find a stud dc who isn't on this bend and not break bs lemon fasting trend

let brissett's mediocreness lead the way next season - get the defense tuned up - and oh yeah get a lot of quality linemen

We need to get a bonifide QBOTF in this draft and let him learn behind Brissett next year or until late in the season if we are 3-8 again.
But you are correct. We have to fix this o-line this off season. We have to solidify the rb situation.

 

[Harry]

There’s something ironic about the Cards offering the biggest QB rehab project and people wanting the Cards to trade for one.

 

[Harry]

Agree. But look at the Bears. They drafted Williams. He took his lumps and many times looked like a mistake. Along comes Ben Johnson and he’s a totally different Qb.
Systems and coaching makes a huge difference. Is there another offensive genius out there like Ben Johnson.

It also helped there GM replaced 60% of the offensive line.

Kiffin

 

[slanidrac16]

Is it a rule we can only draft offensive linemen? Trades and FA signings aren't allowed?

Unfortunately Stout thus is the Bidwill system because it’s the most economical.
Example, just using random names. Let’s say Wirfs is available in a trade. We have to give up a 1st and 5th to get him. It would never happen because “ he’s to expensive”. We don’t get the rookie discount and pray we make the right choice. Hell 90% of us use the excuse” we can’t afford him”. BS.
The Bears replaced 60% of their o-line…and not with a bunch of shlocks.

We have and will continue to operate like a second class organization. It’s never going to change. I could give a rats ass about their new training facility. We will continue to hope for lightning in a bottle.

 

[slanidrac16]

If you’re taking a QB to sit a year, you can still fix line.

THIS!!! It will be absolutely stupid to wait until 2027 to get a Qb.
Harry, there is a Qb in this draft that could be our QBOTF. FIRST, We have to identify what and who we are. That’s where it starts. Just like we can’t ask Murray to be a pocket passer or Brissett to be a running qb.

 

[slanidrac16]

Kiffin

Problem is he’s being courted and looking at a HUGE contract that we will never consider.
What else you got?

 

[Syracusecards]

At #6 overall, you're looking for legit game changers. Paris Johnson is more DJ Humphries.

C’mon. DJ was legendary for getting at LEAST 1 penalty per game.

 

[Gandhi]

We need to fix the OL before we draft a QB. Putting a rookie QB behind this OL would be a disaster.

GC, I understand your point. You don’t want to waste a high draft pick by letting your new franchise QB be decapitated as a rookie. My view is that you could say that in most cases - especially with the highest draft picks - yet, teams still get transformed by rookie QB.

The Bengals didn’t have a good o-line when Joe Burrow came in. Washington upgraded their offensive line after Jayden Daniels’ sensational rookie season. Justin Herbert became the Rookie of the Year behind a subpar offensive line. C.J. Stroud overcame the Texans’ bad offensive line-play. Just last year, Drake Maye was very good in the 12 games he got behind New England’s historically bad offensive line. Literally, the analyst website, Football Insights, has tracked every rookie QB’s dropback time from 2006 to 2024, and Maye played behind the worst pass blocking offensive line of all of them, yet no one would say that he didn’t significantly improve the Patriots’ offense.

It happens relatively often that the quarterback makes the offensive line better (or simply survives behind it). In my mind, you just have to take the chance.

 

[Gandhi]

Paris Johnson has been a consensus top 10 OT in the league, yet whenever he gives up a sack theres always one guy who goes "not worth the pick". Like have you seen OT play in this league? OTs picked top 10 bust almost as much as QBs, we're lucky he's been so good.

Well, many have already explained it, so this is only going to be repeating, but when you are drafting that high you expect a great player. Not “top 10”.
By the way, have you studied his game? He isn’t playing great.

 

[Gandhi]

No, but we need two starting guards and a right tackle. you are not going to get that in the third or fourth round. If we were to move up to draft a QB, we would have to give up more draft picks. I also don't like any of the college QBs. Maybe next year will be better, maybe not. I can live with JB for a couple of years. He is a fighter.

Last offseason, the Bears signed C Drew Dalman, OG Joe Thuney, OG Jonah Jackson and drafted OT Ozzy Trapilo in the second round. Done. Offensive line significantly upgraded in one offseason.

Sure, they traded for both Thuney and Jackson, but I mean, it cost them a fourth- and sixth-round pick.

Many free agents will obviously be brought back, but just for arguments sake. Let’s say that Cards sign Braden Smith (Colts) or Rasheed Walker (Packers) to play RT. Wyatt Teller (Browns) or Jermaine Eluemunor (Giants) to play OG. Maybe you draft a guy or two in round 3-7. Voila. Fixed in a few months.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

C’mon. DJ was legendary for getting at LEAST 1 penalty per game.

Yes, he was a good but not great player. When drafting at #6, I'm looking for dominance.

 

[Gandhi]

On this note, could we get Lawence to be our resurgent QB like Darnold, Mayfield, Jones, etc? Maybe a straight up trade for Murray.

I actually looked a bit into that some days ago, OC. He signed a big extension some years ago, and it is structured so that it would cost them a fortune to let him go now. Their owner is not exactly cheap, though, so maybe that could be fixed. Also, he has a no trade-clause, so he would have to agree to the move.

 

[Gandhi]

5 - Do you mean MW is #1?

No, McBride is.

 

[Harry]

Problem is he’s being courted and looking at a HUGE contract that we will never consider.
What else you got?

My next head coach favorite is Saleh. His background is defense. I need to start searching for a good OC, JIC. The problem is Saleh will be in big demand too. Trying to find a guy who could fix a mess this big, is off the radar and would work for Bidwill may be a bridge too far. I’ll keep looking.

 

[Harry]

My next head coach favorite is Saleh. His background is defense. I need to start searching for a good OC, JIC. The problem is Saleh will be in big demand too. Trying to find a guy who could fix a mess this big, is off the radar and would work for Bidwill may be a bridge too far. I’ll keep looking.

Maybe Mike Denbrock. I moved on from him as his rise to the top has been slow with no HC experience. He’s best known as a solid OC who has had great success with TEs. He was Jayden Daniels OC when he won the Heisman. He’s currently the OC at Notre Dame. Despite his success he’s never got a shot at being a HC, but then lots of people passed on Arians also. Denbrock has certainly paid his dues. He’s worked with virtually every offensive position and some defensive. He’s sent tons of solid players to the NFL.

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