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[Shane]

Woman cops are a detriment to society.

And never do field sobriety tests.

This is gonna get tossed.

I have had many refuse field sobriety…. Don’t matter the blood and breath tell all. Not that it apparently matter in Wisconsin with such petty repercussions. The sobriety tests are just a way to develop PC to do the blood test if you refuse PC is automatic.

 

[602 Native]

I have had many refuse field sobriety…. Don’t matter the blood and breath tell all. Not that it apparently matter in Wisconsin with such petty repercussions. The sobriety tests are just a way to develop PC to do the blood test if you refuse PC is automatic.

No doubt about the blood breath is also sketchy. Field is trash and in this case she had very little probable cause to instigate arrest which she did.

 

[Adrian]

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[Adrian]

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[Adrian]

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[MadCardDisease]

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OMG! Just brutal! LOL

 

[Adrian]

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[some dumb guy]

Woman cops are a detriment to society.

And never do field sobriety tests.

This is gonna get tossed.

WTH, is this the '30s?
And I was kind of surprised Shane didn't defend his sisters in law enforcement. And then epiphany...Shane also didn't respond to the AI generated picture of him as "Taylor Swift"...........Shane is working undercover at the Chicken Ranch Brothel......well, hopefully undercover. I suppose there are other opportunities....LOL

 

[Sandan]

I have had many refuse field sobriety…. Don’t matter the blood and breath tell all. Not that it apparently matter in Wisconsin with such petty repercussions. The sobriety tests are just a way to develop PC to do the blood test if you refuse PC is automatic.

Shane you know I think DUI penalties are for too lenient in the US but FST are unacceptable in the modern world for several reasons.

They are subjective
They assume the officer (and dept) is honest and professional, most are but many are not

I would never agree to a FST, I have no problem with a breath test. If the officers don't carry handheld units one has to ask why and the answer is it is an intimidation ploy. Take or we have to take you into the jail

Mobile unit for PC were standard equipment in the UK went I left in 1985 ( 40 years ago), in 2026 there is no excuse not to have one.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

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That’s messed up.

 

[gimpy]

Shane you know I think DUI penalties are for too lenient in the US but FST are unacceptable in the modern world for several reasons.

They are subjective
They assume the officer (and dept) is honest and professional, most are but many are not

I would never agree to a FST, I have no problem with a breath test. If the officers don't carry handheld units one has to ask why and the answer is it is an intimidation ploy. Take or we have to take you into the jail

Mobile unit for PC were standard equipment in the UK went I left in 1985 ( 40 years ago), in 2026 there is no excuse not to have one.

Well, Sandan. I don't know what your background is, law enforcement? Attorney? Or? I also don't know much about how the system works in the UK .

As for the part where they are subjective. I guess you can say they are. But for me, unless something the officer says or does to the contrary, I would believe the officer everytime over the civilian person. I would assume most modern day officers are trained, at least to some degree, in looking for DUI's and recognizing and giving a person the fst's. If you ask Shane, I think he would probably say there are a few more reasons to giving the fst's? Such as driving behavior, speaking, look and smell. Of course I could be wrong.

I don't understand how a handheld breath test would be considered an "intimidation plot"? Especially if it shows that he has little or no alcohol in his system.

My .02 only.

 

[oaken1]

Well, Sandan. I don't know what your background is, law enforcement? Attorney? Or? I also don't know much about how the system works in the UK .

As for the part where they are subjective. I guess you can say they are. But for me, unless something the officer says or does to the contrary, I would believe the officer everytime over the civilian person. I would assume most modern day officers are trained, at least to some degree, in looking for DUI's and recognizing and giving a person the fst's. If you ask Shane, I think he would probably say there are a few more reasons to giving the fst's? Such as driving behavior, speaking, look and smell. Of course I could be wrong.

I don't understand how a handheld breath test would be considered an "intimidation plot"? Especially if it shows that he has little or no alcohol in his system.

My .02 only.

there is no way in hell I would submit to a field sobriety test...take me in, lets do a blood test..or get a breathalyzer out here whatever...but no way on the FST.
I dont drink. But I cant pass one of those on my best day...between broken back, worn out knees, and RRMS... no way...they would drag my arse straight to jail certain I was drunk, lol.

I did have a cop buddy that let me in on a secret though... a big part of that FST is not to determine if a guy is impaired...but to get them to admit it.
he says they keep getting more and more rediculous...and at some point a lot of subjects will say something to the effect of, "Holy crap really?? Damn, no way...I cant do that when Im sober!"

 

[Shane]

there is no way in hell I would submit to a field sobriety test...take me in, lets do a blood test..or get a breathalyzer out here whatever...but no way on the FST.
I dont drink. But I cant pass one of those on my best day...between broken back, worn out knees, and RRMS... no way...they would drag my arse straight to jail certain I was drunk, lol.

I did have a cop buddy that let me in on a secret though... a big part of that FST is not to determine if a guy is impaired...but to get them to admit it.
he says they keep getting more and more rediculous...and at some point a lot of subjects will say something to the effect of, "Holy crap really?? Damn, no way...I cant do that when Im sober!"

Conducting FST’s and doing them properly takes a lot of practice. I see more people over the years getting off from cops screwing up the FST‘s more than anything. That’s generally where the defense lawyer will attack. One mistake or missed step and then the Lawyer can have the results after the fact thrown out such as blood of breath. Obviously there are more signs that point toward impairment, like the smell of an alcoholic beverage, bloodshot and watery, eyes, slurred, speech, etc..

Once you decline, the FST’s PC is automatic and you’re automatically booked and either blood or Breath is done there’s nothing for the Lawyer to attack that the cop could’ve screwed up to get you to that point.

I’ve had countless people over the years that voluntarily do the FST’s and passed them with flying colors and are free to go. Even with signs of impairment.

 

[602 Native]

WTH, is this the '30s?
And I was kind of surprised Shane didn't defend his sisters in law enforcement. And then epiphany...Shane also didn't respond to the AI generated picture of him as "Taylor Swift"...........Shane is working undercover at the Chicken Ranch Brothel......well, hopefully undercover. I suppose there are other opportunities....LOL

As someone who has family and friends that are LOEs you would not believe the stories they tell about female officers.

Shane for sure knows if he’s n experienced officer but might not say here.

Don’t shoot the messenger.

 

[some dumb guy]

As someone who has family and friends that are LOEs you would not believe the stories they tell about female officers.

Shane for sure knows if he’s n experienced officer but might not say here.

Don’t shoot the messenger.

I'm just guessing you meant LEO's..Law Enforcement Officers
LOE's...Lots Of Estrogen?

 

[oaken1]

Conducting FST’s and doing them properly takes a lot of practice. I see more people over the years getting off from cops screwing up the FST‘s more than anything. That’s generally where the defense lawyer will attack. One mistake or missed step and then the Lawyer can have the results after the fact thrown out such as blood of breath. Obviously there are more signs that point toward impairment, like the smell of an alcoholic beverage, bloodshot and watery, eyes, slurred, speech, etc..

Once you decline, the FST’s PC is automatic and you’re automatically booked and either blood or Breath is done there’s nothing for the Lawyer to attack that the cop could’ve screwed up to get you to that point.

I’ve had countless people over the years that voluntarily do the FST’s and passed them with flying colors and are free to go. Even with signs of impairment.

yeah I did it once when I was a kid..dont get pulled over too often, lol...especially for DUI..
but with my health issues now, there is no way I could pass one.
stand on one foot?? Yer forkin jokin....right??

 

[gimpy]

yeah I did it once when I was a kid..dont get pulled over too often, lol...especially for DUI..
but with my health issues now, there is no way I could pass one.
stand on one foot?? Yer forkin jokin....right??

Well, oaken1, I don't think police pull you over and ask you to do fst's just for the heck of it. Normally, there are other driving conditions that you are stopped for, i.e., speeding, weaving, slow driving, accident, plus many more.
Then, there is the encounter with the officer, the smell of liquor on your breath, slurred speech, disheveled appearance, balance.

And probably more things than I am missing. So, I would venture to guess, that when you are asked to do the roadside fst's, that the officer is probably real close to already arresting you whether you do them or not. Maybe Shane can confirm or deny that?
Once again, my 2 cents.

 

[BooksOrangePlanet]

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[some dumb guy]

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Romo has fallen....

 

[Zalixar]

Romo has fallen....

Ehhhhhhehhhhhhehhhh, I don't know Jim.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

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Great opportunity for JJ Watt.

 

[Sandan]

Well, Sandan. I don't know what your background is, law enforcement? Attorney? Or? I also don't know much about how the system works in the UK .

As for the part where they are subjective. I guess you can say they are. But for me, unless something the officer says or does to the contrary, I would believe the officer everytime over the civilian person. I would assume most modern day officers are trained, at least to some degree, in looking for DUI's and recognizing and giving a person the fst's. If you ask Shane, I think he would probably say there are a few more reasons to giving the fst's? Such as driving behavior, speaking, look and smell. Of course I could be wrong.

I don't understand how a handheld breath test would be considered an "intimidation plot"? Especially if it shows that he has little or no alcohol in his system.

My .02 only.

First context, I lived most of my adult life in the US, it's just right now I'm in the UK. My background is NOT LE but large scale IT.

A FST IS by definition subjective, based solely on the LEO's subjective opinion. You can argue they are trained but it is unarguably subjective. A subjective test which will be entered into evidence against you. Like I said I have zero problem with using a handheld beath test to achieve the same objective, it is based on facts not opinions.

I wasn't clear on the intimidation comment, so to clarify. An LEO can use intimidation to coerce you into taking a FST. It runs along the lines of "Consent to the FST or will have to take you to jail for an blood test or an evidence calibrated beath test as we don't have a mobile test" (mobile tests are not accurate but are good enough to generate probable cause for an arrest).

And yes there are still some PDs that are accused of having DUI arrest quotas

Honolulu police arrested sober drivers to hit DUI quotas, lawsuit alleges - ACLU of Hawaii

The Washington Post By María Luisa Paúl Ammon Fepuleai said he didn’t have a single drink on the night of Nov. 7, 2023. But when he pulled up to a Honolulu police sobriety checkpoint, an officer claimed to smell alcohol anyway. Body-camera footage later showed Fepuleai followed instructions...

www.acluhi.org

Video Lawsuit alleges Phoenix police used DUI quotas

A woman claims she was pulled over and handcuffed for no reason, blaming what she claimed is a quota system to make DUI arrests. The department denied it has a DUI quota system.

abcnews.com

Is it true, I don't know but I see no reason to agree to a FST

The solution is just have a handheld unit problem solved.

As for the differences. All cops have handheld units, FST does not exist here.. Penalties for DUI are MUCH harsher of which I very much approve.

 

[Shane]

First context, I lived most of my adult life in the US, it's just right now I'm in the UK. My background is NOT LE but large scale IT.

A FST IS by definition subjective, based solely on the LEO's subjective opinion. You can argue they are trained but it is unarguably subjective. A subjective test which will be entered into evidence against you. Like I said I have zero problem with using a handheld beath test to achieve the same objective, it is based on facts not opinions.

I wasn't clear on the intimidation comment, so to clarify. An LEO can use intimidation to coerce you into taking a FST. It runs along the lines of "Consent to the FST or will have to take you to jail for an blood test or an evidence calibrated beath test as we don't have a mobile test" (mobile tests are not accurate but are good enough to generate probable cause for an arrest).

And yes there are still some PDs that are accused of having DUI arrest quotas

Honolulu police arrested sober drivers to hit DUI quotas, lawsuit alleges - ACLU of Hawaii

The Washington Post By María Luisa Paúl Ammon Fepuleai said he didn’t have a single drink on the night of Nov. 7, 2023. But when he pulled up to a Honolulu police sobriety checkpoint, an officer claimed to smell alcohol anyway. Body-camera footage later showed Fepuleai followed instructions...

www.acluhi.org

Video Lawsuit alleges Phoenix police used DUI quotas

A woman claims she was pulled over and handcuffed for no reason, blaming what she claimed is a quota system to make DUI arrests. The department denied it has a DUI quota system.

abcnews.com

Is it true, I don't know but I see no reason to agree to a FST

The solution is just have a handheld unit problem solved.

As for the differences. All cops have handheld units, FST does not exist here.. Penalties for DUI are MUCH harsher of which I very much approve.

Huge flaw in this. FST’s don’t just find pc for DUI alcohol. They also find pc for DUI drugs.

While, alcohol drinking, and driving is a huge problem. So is DUI drugs, and it becomes more of a problem as it becomes legal in more places. And that’s not even counting the illegal drug variety of DUIs. Of which a lot occur. Handhelds are completely worthless in this instance. While, I understand where you’re coming from handheld’s are without a doubt, less accurate and can be thrown off calibration easily and cause false positives from simple things like mouthwash that you could do right before you leave your house.. there’s a reason they are completely in admissible in court.

So based off what you’re telling us am I my to assume that Europe/UK just allows people to drive around high, no problem no crime whatsoever?

I personally think the HGN should be the litmus test anyway. But those can still be refused.

 

[some dumb guy]

OT: Unrelated story to the European traffic enforcement. I was in the army, in Germany in the 20th century...LOL, '80-83. And while driving, I was pulled over by the Polizei. I was told I was speeding, which I wasn't, and for 20 Marks (about $10 at the time) he would let me go without a ticket. I paid the extortion.
OMG, this memory just popped in my head, sorry.....a friend of mine came over to Germany to see me and we went to a "strip club/brothel. We were watching a very sexy young girl dancing with a feather boa concealing her breasts. Then she turned around, dropped her g-string, turned around and a big "thang" dropped down between her legs......we left so fast, and for some reason just laughing our arses off....we decided Europe was to advanced for us.........LOL

 

[Sandan]

Huge flaw in this. FST’s don’t just find pc for DUI alcohol. They also find pc for DUI drugs.

While, alcohol drinking, and driving is a huge problem. So is DUI drugs, and it becomes more of a problem as it becomes legal in more places. And that’s not even counting the illegal drug variety of DUIs. Of which a lot occur. Handhelds are completely worthless in this instance. While, I understand where you’re coming from handheld’s are without a doubt, less accurate and can be thrown off calibration easily and cause false positives from simple things like mouthwash that you could do right before you leave your house.. there’s a reason they are completely in admissible in court.

So based off what you’re telling us am I my to assume that Europe/UK just allows people to drive around high, no problem no crime whatsoever?

I personally think the HGN should be the litmus test anyway. But those can still be refused.

First off Europe and the UK are totally different and no they don't allow that. Climb down from your high horse and be a little less obnoxious.

How the Roadside Test WorksThe Device: Police commonly use a saliva-collecting plastic cassette (such as DrugWipe) that shows results in about 3 to 8 minutes.Target Substances: Standard roadside kits test primarily for cannabis (THC) and cocaine.

But I do stand corrected, the British cops can use what they call a FIT. However it can't be used as widely as a FST as if never heard of it before.

The point is they do everything possible to eliminate subjective calls.

There is no need to get pissed Shane I want to be harder on DUI than you do. I just think the FST has a history of abuse