Assuming Brissett is the Best QB Option

[Chopper0080]

Lots of subjective opinions and present them as factual. It's pretty common here, if someone asks questions or heaven forbid questions, people pile on

So ...

'LJ Collier - fringe roster player', maybe, what do you mean by fringe
'Nolen - played 7 games for a league worst defense' This clearly a false statement. Were they good no, but the worst, not even close by the stats I've found they rank 27-30 depending on the stat. Is this good heck no but the worst is hyperbole at the best most charitable reading.
'Mack Wilson - Journeyman ILB. Defense did dip when he was out. Unclear if he can overcome the other deficiencies.' Nicely unspecific so impossible to refute. What other deficiencies ?

I have no issue with being asked what I mean/intended or to add more context.

Fringe roster player. - A player who has not consistently been a starter, been on multiple teams, but still has contributed with a 30% to 50% snap share.

I can amend to one of the worst defenses in the league. I agree that is more accurate.

Deficiencies as in health and tackling. First season as an every down player and he gets hurt. He has rarely had large workloads in his career. Maybe it is a blip and maybe it isn't. We will see. Same with this missed tackling %. This was a large spike from his % in 2024 but is more in line with his career #s which has been high.

 

[Stout]

Better than the bottom third & closer to average.

Thumbs down just to disagree. The second part of the question is how do we get there? I don't see a path to anything but a bottom third defense, personally.

 

[Stout]

I would say, not that I agree with this sentiment, most of what the roster was last season didn't really play much together.

As disastrous as Gannon and Co were, you have to also consider that the Cardinals were literally the 2nd most injured team of this century. Pretty crazy that if you do the math, that's over 750 teams that were considering.

Throw in a Big John (Love), a possible big time playmaker on offense, and yes, the team could be better. My biggest doubt is the front seven because they are relying on some from a motley crew to step up and be better.

We're talking about the D, not the team.

 

[602 Native]

JB showing real concern for being our QB

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[Adrian]

JB showing real concern for being our QB

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Studying the playbook, I see. Nice.

 

[Krangodnzr]

We're talking about the D, not the team.

The defense had quite a few injuries too

 

[Krangodnzr]

And yet, none of the young or other players on the team could beat Tomlinson out for starting snaps. Dalvin had 1 less sack and 8 less tackles than Baron Browning on the year. 7th on the defensive roster in snaps played at 48.43%. Tops amongst EDGE and other DL player.

Maybe Roy Lopez can replace that snap share and production but his backup is Billings who is terrible. At best you are break even at the NT spot, equally bad at the backup, and still don't have a replacement for CC.

Maybe Mack Wilson stays healthy. He has played the most snaps per game in AZ than he has anywhere else in his career except his rookie year. I hope he can handle the workload. The Cardinals still have the same talent around him that they did last year with the exception of ADG. ADG wasn't good, and we will see if Jack Gibbens can hold off Cody Simon and Pappoe.

ADG wasn't just "wasn't good", he was among the worst coverage players in football last year according to Profootballreference, so it's definitely addition by subtraction. Gibbens was actually pretty good starting down the stretch for NE when Spillane went down and was a very solid depth signing.

Lopez was definitely better than Tomlinson last year. He was among the better rotational DL in the league last year, and probably should have just been resigned last year. He had better stats on less snap percentage.

 

[Goldfield]

Wow, a lot more optimism than I was expecting.

The defense will be horrific. Not only is it less talented than it was going into last season they kept the DC that the players quit on last year.

Offense... We are going to have a bad QB situation, probably the worst in the NFL, going into the season.

Bad defense.... Bad QB play... The inevitable injuries in camp and early in the season.

I think 0 to 2 wins total. It's really, really difficult to go winless but this team has the chance to do it. The most wildly optimistic outcome I have is 4 wins with 2 of them coming in the division.

Wow I don’t agree especially about the D. Just having a running game will help the D tremendously

 

[ajcardfan]

Wow I don’t agree especially about the D. Just having a running game will help the D tremendously

We are going to have a good running game? That would be cool.

 

[Goldfield]

We are going to have a good running game? That would be cool.

Correct

 

[Cardiac]

Sorry if this a repost, MLF said today that Garrett Williams might be ready for game 1 this year. BJO, Nolen, Tip, JC, and Starling will all be ready for TC. I might have forgot someone. I know many have written off BJO but he still has a chance to contribute and not a D&D chance.
We know Nolen is a beast.
Even though K9 disagrees with me I do believe if this Team can limit opponents to 24 points or less the Offense is going to win us some games. Maybe 7 or 8.

I'm not sure Rallis and crew can do that but there are some good players on the D.
Run game from Offense should be 2024 good but we have backups and a rookie at QB.
I can't see us making the playoffs or even improving our standing in the division but I think most of us would be happy with 7 or 8 wins.

 

[Cardiac]

Glad I could cheer k9 up.

 

[Outerlimits]

I would say, not that I agree with this sentiment, most of what the roster was last season didn't really play much together.

As disastrous as Gannon and Co were, you have to also consider that the Cardinals were literally the 2nd most injured team of this century. Pretty crazy that if you do the math, that's over 750 teams that were considering.

Throw in a Big John (Love), a possible big time playmaker on offense, and yes, the team could be better. My biggest doubt is the front seven because they are relying on some from a motley crew to step up and be better.

What team was the most injured of the century so far?

 

[schutd]

We're talking about the D, not the team.

I would say a quality running game does big things for a young piecemeal defense.

 

[schutd]

We are going to have a good running game? That would be cool.

Can you argue that it wont be improved? Other than by an opinion? My opinion is it will be. The point is, none of us know a thing until the games are played. But on paper adding Stout's "Big John" (I hate myself for saying that), in the running game will have a positive butterfly effect for the D, which will help them perform less under pressure, hopefully assist with snap counts, lowering the percentage chance for injury, thereby increasing overall health. That makes our D better, and hopefully allows us to see what we have over there from a talent perspective. And if the running game is better, the D is better by proxy. Its a team sport afterall.

 

[kerouac9]

Can you argue that it wont be improved? Other than by an opinion? My opinion is it will be. The point is, none of us know a thing until the games are played. But on paper adding Stout's "Big John" (I hate myself for saying that), in the running game will have a positive butterfly effect for the D, which will help them perform less under pressure, hopefully assist with snap counts, lowering the percentage chance for injury, thereby increasing overall health. That makes our D better, and hopefully allows us to see what we have over there from a talent perspective. And if the running game is better, the D is better by proxy. Its a team sport afterall.

I think the running game will be better, but every team plays pretty much the same amount of snaps. That the running game will lead to better health among defensive players seems like a pretty tenuous assertion.

 

[Cardiac]

I think the running game will be better, but every team plays pretty much the same amount of snaps. That the running game will lead to better health among defensive players seems like a pretty tenuous assertion.

I think we witnessed that just last season. The D was a rope a dope mess which gave up long drives which increased the snap count for our defenders. Fatigue sets in and that can/does lead to injuries and of course every play has the potential for injury.

Another aspect to this is with each injury a less talented player has to play. That player hasn't gotten the same reps as the starter so is more likely to make mistakes. It's a compounding issue. Sure some of the issue is coaching but the Niners who typically have more injuries than the average team have had down seasons due to injuries.

The good thing about last year is a lot of our depth got a bunch of snaps so they gained experience.
Will we see the 2024 D or the D from 2025 after the first 7 games?

 

[ajcardfan]

Can you argue that it wont be improved? Other than by an opinion? My opinion is it will be. The point is, none of us know a thing until the games are played. But on paper adding Stout's "Big John" (I hate myself for saying that), in the running game will have a positive butterfly effect for the D, which will help them perform less under pressure, hopefully assist with snap counts, lowering the percentage chance for injury, thereby increasing overall health. That makes our D better, and hopefully allows us to see what we have over there from a talent perspective. And if the running game is better, the D is better by proxy. Its a team sport afterall.

Sure, on paper the run game could be a lot better. I hope it is and I hope the D is greatly improved.

But, I don't believe in this team at all right now. I see awfulness ahead. They are more than welcome to prove me wrong by winning 3 or 4 games and being competitive in almost all of the losses.

 

[kerouac9]

I think we witnessed that just last season. The D was a rope a dope mess which gave up long drives which increased the snap count for our defenders. Fatigue sets in and that can/does lead to injuries and of course every play has the potential for injury.

Another aspect to this is with each injury a less talented player has to play. That player hasn't gotten the same reps as the starter so is more likely to make mistakes. It's a compounding issue. Sure some of the issue is coaching but the Niners who typically have more injuries than the average team have had down seasons due to injuries.

The good thing about last year is a lot of our depth got a bunch of snaps so they gained experience.
Will we see the 2024 D or the D from 2025 after the first 7 games?

Nolen, SMB, and ST5 got injured before training camp
Mack Wilson got injured before the Cowboys game (IIRC).

Just utter nonsense

 

[schutd]

I think the running game will be better, but every team plays pretty much the same amount of snaps. That the running game will lead to better health among defensive players seems like a pretty tenuous assertion.

Obviously, I have no scientific data to back that up, so yeah, maybe a strong assertion. But to me theres a logical correlation between having more rest time between defensive series rather than trotting back out onto the field after another 3 and out. Just a thought.

Now heres the part where some sports medicine NERD comes and tells me that not how muscles work.

 

[PDXChris]

Nolen, SMB, and ST5 got injured before training camp
Mack Wilson got injured before the Cowboys game (IIRC).

Just utter nonsense

Wilson got hurt in the Cowboys game. He had a key Forced Fumble in that game. Heck, without Nolan and Wilson in that game, JB is 0-12 and we lose 15 straight to end the year.

 

[MadCardDisease]

Obviously, I have no scientific data to back that up, so yeah, maybe a strong assertion. But to me theres a logical correlation between having more rest time between defensive series rather than trotting back out onto the field after another 3 and out. Just a thought.

Now heres the part where some sports medicine NERD comes and tells me that not how muscles work.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand what you are trying to say.

The longer a defense is on the field it subjects those defensive players to more fatigue and potential injuries.

 

[Chopper0080]

ADG wasn't just "wasn't good", he was among the worst coverage players in football last year according to Profootballreference, so it's definitely addition by subtraction. Gibbens was actually pretty good starting down the stretch for NE when Spillane went down and was a very solid depth signing.

Lopez was definitely better than Tomlinson last year. He was among the better rotational DL in the league last year, and probably should have just been resigned last year. He had better stats on less snap percentage.

Hopefully he can maintain that production without Aiden Hutchinson and on 9% more snaps.

 

[Chopper0080]

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand what you are trying to say.

The longer a defense is on the field it subjects those defensive players to more fatigue and potential injuries.

Maybe?

The Cardinals were 3rd in oppo offensive plays with 1091 but the Rams were 8th at 1072. If you want to compare the Cardinals who were the 3rd worst and the Patriots who were the 3rd best it equates to 118 snap difference which breaks down to 6.9 more snaps per game. Maybe some players are impacted by this health wise...idk. Most players are on a rotation so they don't all eat that increase.

I think the bigger impact would be more snaps played by your depth players which would hurt production but that also depends on the gap between starter and backup.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Hopefully he can maintain that production without Aiden Hutchinson and on 9% more snaps.

I thought Lopez was actually pretty solid his first time around, but he's not really a playmaker, he's a solid plugger.