If the Cardinals select Jeremiyah Love with the 3rd pick, I will be.....

[phillycard]

This is also what I don't get... not necessarily here, but on Reddit, there's a ton of people trashing the value of an RB, but almost none of them are able to identify who they would have taken or what we should have done. Some insist we should have traded back despite reports we had no offers.

People just like to crap on the Arizona Cardinals, period. I get it. At least those on the board trashing it have a vested interest and some actual context. I've been arguing I like the pick for the fact it's the best pick for US.

 

[phillycard]

Heineken tastes skunky because of the green bottles letting in too much light. That’s why it tastes better in a can. And Corona is ok with a lime and it’s super hot outside and you want a water/beer with lime. Lol

Literally any beer suits that purpose. If it's 90 + and you hand me an ice-cold Old English 800, I'm liable to thank you profusely and give you a hug. LMAO!

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Yup. Love needs to be a top 10 player at RB in 2026. Fair or not, that is what his draft position and contract demand.

I'm not sure I agree with that. He can be a top 15 player next year, and a top 7 player next year etc.

 

[kerouac9]

I'm not sure I agree with that. He can be a top 15 player next year, and a top 7 player next year etc.

Nah he’s gotta be better than D’Andre Swift, Tony Pollard, and Travis Etienne right away.

 

[Krangodnzr]

This is also what I don't get... not necessarily here, but on Reddit, there's a ton of people trashing the value of an RB, but almost none of them are able to identify who they would have taken or what we should have done. Some insist we should have traded back despite reports we had no offers.

Ultimately, even while I was arguing with you and Stout, I couldn't argue that Love probably was the best available player.

The reality is, with David Bailey gone, there wasn't a slam dunk player at a premium position available. Love was head and shoulders the best player and it wasn't really that close.

 

[Solar7]

Ultimately, even while I was arguing with you and Stout, I couldn't argue that Love probably was the best available player.

The reality is, with David Bailey gone, there wasn't a slam dunk player at a premium position available. Love was head and shoulders the best player and it wasn't really that close.

For what it's worth, I was operating under the assumption that Bailey would be gone for most of our discussion. I also would have taken Bailey over Love... but that was about it.

Reese never seemed surefire to me, but if one really thought he was the next Micah Parsons, I would understand. Outside of that, I was tapped out, and almost felt certain that Monti was going to move back for pennies on the dollar and dart throws.

I do think Reese will end up being a very talented player for the Giants, and Mauigoa went to the right team in the right situation... but that's going to be ILB and OG, which isn't enough for me.

 

[BritCard]

For what it's worth, I was operating under the assumption that Bailey would be gone for most of our discussion. I also would have taken Bailey over Love... but that was about it.

Reese never seemed surefire to me, but if one really thought he was the next Micah Parsons, I would understand. Outside of that, I was tapped out, and almost felt certain that Monti was going to move back for pennies on the dollars and dart throws.

I do think Reese will end up being a very talented player for the Giants, and Mauigoa went to the right team in the right situation... but that's going to be ILB and OG, which isn't enough for me.

I'm glad Bailey was gone. I don't even think Bailey was a blue chip player.

I said months ago there are only 3 players in this draft I'm confident are studs. Love, Styles and Downs. With Love the most certain of them.

Bailey has some big questions around stiffness and run defense for me to be considered that high. I think in any other draft he goes 10 spots later.

Love was the right pick, whether Bailey was there or not. The value thing is real, but overstated. Is anyone questioning what CMC cost the Niners in trade now?

 

[BritCard]

He also destroyed his knee after seven games and was a second round pick.

Saquon had 2000 all-purpose yards as a rookie. THAT’S what we should expect.

No, I'm not talking about Hall's stats. I said this is how I would expect Love to be used. Watch how Hall gets his receiving yards in the video.

 

[oaken1]

I'm glad Bailey was gone. I don't even think Bailey was a blue chip player.

I said months ago there are only 3 players in this draft I'm confident are studs. Love, Styles and Downs. With Love the most certain of them.

Bailey has some big questions around stiffness and run defense for me to be considered that high. I think in any other draft he goes 10 spots later.

Love was the right pick, whether Bailey was there or not. The value thing is real, but overstated. Is anyone questioning what CMC cost the Niners in trade now?

Yeah I agree.

Worrying about the allocation of resources for one position is a "Poverty Mindset" ... especially when we ain't even up against the cap.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Yeah I agree.

Worrying about the allocation of resources for one position is a "Poverty Mindset" ... especially when we ain't even up against the cap.

It's actually not. Smart teams think this way.

Even though I'm happy with Love, good teams aren't guaranteeing $60 million to their RB room.

 

[Stout]

It's actually not. Smart teams think this way.

Even though I'm happy with Love, good teams aren't guaranteeing $60 million to their RB room.

I think this matters very little when you're carrying over 20 mill in cap space every year.

 

[Krangodnzr]

I think this matters very little when you're carrying over 20 mill in cap space every year.

Where I was mostly convinced is that, I ultimately just want damn good players.

And I think that ultimately, Love's ceiling is All Pro. When you're picking in a draft where top ten picks might go in the 20s in a normal draft, the value of Love is actually heightened.

 

[oaken1]

It's actually not. Smart teams think this way.

Even though I'm happy with Love, good teams aren't guaranteeing $60 million to their RB room.

It's the very definition. Chop posted it yesterday

 

[oaken1]

Where I was mostly convinced is that, I ultimately just want damn good players.

And I think that ultimately, Love's ceiling is All Pro. When you're picking in a draft where top ten picks might go in the 20s in a normal draft, the value of Love is actually heightened.

Agree.
In the end the entire purpose of the draft is to infuse talent.
We got all the blue collar guys we need.
What this team needs is star power...and now hopefully we have some.
Not just to win games but to make being a fan more exciting...
We haven't had a gamebreaker in a long time..at any position..

Would have been nice if we could have scored a diamond in the rough... maybe get a guy like Maxx Crosby in the 4th round. But that just wasnt happening for us... so we spent a premium pick for a premium player.

 

[GatorAZ]

Yup. Love needs to be a top 10 player at RB in 2026. Fair or not, that is what his draft position and contract demand.

What if he’s 11th in year one and top-5 by year two? lol.

 

[BritCard]

It's actually not. Smart teams think this way.

Even though I'm happy with Love, good teams aren't guaranteeing $60 million to their RB room.

Barkley is getting $36m guaranteed over 2 years and he's 29 years old. Are the Eagles not one of the best teams in the league?

CMC is being paid $19m a year with $24m guaranteed for 2 years with his injury history and he'll be 30 in June.

The "Jeremiyah Love has the most guaranteed money of any RB" narrative is purely a function of him having a 4 year rookie contract.

His guarantees and cap hit are $13.4m a year. Which really is nothing for a bellcow RB. If he lives up to his billing (which everyone expects he will).

When he has 1500 scrimmage yards are people going to be complaining we are paying him $13.4m?

 

[some dumb guy]

Barkley is getting $36m guaranteed over 2 years and he's 29 years old. Are the Eagles not one of the best teams in the league?

CMC is being paid $19m a year with $24m guaranteed for 2 years with his injury history and he'll be 30 in June.

The "Jordan Love has the most guaranteed money of any RB" narrative is purely a function of him having a 4 year rookie contract.

His guarantees and cap hit are $13.4m a year. Which really is nothing for a bellcow RB. If he lives up to his billing (which everyone expects he will).

When he has 1500 scrimmage yards are people going to be complaining we are paying him $13.4m?

That's almost $9k per yard. Don't tell Love, the more yards he gets the cheaper they become...LOL

 

[Zalixar]

What if he’s 11th in year one and top-5 by year two? lol.

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[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I agree with everyone who has made this point... but in the grand scheme of things, if they don't get full value from $13M of a $300M cap (<5%), it's no biggie. It's not in the same realm as blowing $46M (>15%) on a QB who chokes in every game that matters.

If the Cardinals were trying to eke out an edge over the Seahawks this season, it would matter a lot more. Just trying to get out of the NFL's basement and reach respectability, I think having a player who makes the offense dangerous on any play outweighs the cap inefficiency. And if he turns out to be one of the best RBs in the league over the next 5 years, the whole point will be moot.

This.

Another way to say it is: roster/cap construction and make up important. But for a bottom of the league team it pales in comparison to talent acquisition. And it seems that almost everyone was in agreement that love was the most talented player in this draft. Is it optimal he’s a rb? No. Were there a lot of higher value positions available that would’ve matched, or come close to approximating, his talent level? Also no. Build the talent, figure out the roster/cap when you’ve become relevant. It’s not like he’s a QB with an enormous contract. And if we stink enough next year and our QBOF comes from the draft, we have flexibility having a rookie contract QB.

 

[mjb21aztd]

Plssss let 1 top 5 to 10 pick pan out for cards...... lolll

Nooooo more hot tub leinarts personalitys..... heh bet fun tim though for matt l

Lookin for to seein love benson conor trio )

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Bad process = good result can be a thing. I feel like there is a lot of consternation on this board about the MHJ pick despite his average salary being like 8 mil per year. There should be even more if Love isn't a top 10 RB his rookie year with a 13 mil per year contract.

and I don't want to hear it isn't his fault because the Cardinals had a losing season...

...or because the Cardinals don't have a good offensive line...

...or because the Cardinals have a bad QB situation.

Those were all known factors ahead of time.

Hmm, top 10 performance or stats? He could perform to the level of a top 10 rb but be hindered by the line or game storylines and his stats wouldn’t reflect top 10 stats. Like a top 10 LT could do his job and the line overall could be bottom 10 in rushing or sacks allowed. He still did his job.

 

[some dumb guy]

Plssss let 1 top 5 to 10 pick pan out for cards...... lolll

Nooooo more hot tub leinarts personalitys..... heh bet fun tim though for matt l

Lookin for to seein love benson conor trio )

They've got a residency in Vegas opening on Memorial Day

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Where I was mostly convinced is that, I ultimately just want damn good players.

And I think that ultimately, Love's ceiling is All Pro. When you're picking in a draft where top ten picks might go in the 20s in a normal draft, the value of Love is actually heightened.

This was my argument all along.

 

[Weenus O'Baggins]

The Cardinals made the wrong pick guys.

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I should get in on Mendoza now

 

[Chopper0080]

Hmm, top 10 performance or stats? He could perform to the level of a top 10 rb but be hindered by the line or game storylines and his stats wouldn’t reflect top 10 stats. Like a top 10 LT could do his job and the line overall could be bottom 10 in rushing or sacks allowed. He still did his job.

It's why I would look at all purpose yards and usage as metrics over just rushing yards, TDs, or wins. If Love can't be on the field in passing situations or when the Cardinals are behind, that is bad scouting because you should be taking an all around RB at 3 overall. If Love is getting 1800 yards from scrimmage similar to what Achane did last year, I don't think anyone is going to care how he produced those numbers. If he is getting 1200 ala Tony Pollard...what a waste.