If the Cardinals select Jeremiyah Love with the 3rd pick, I will be.....

[oaken1]

You were 16, this is not helping yourself...LOL
20 cases x 24 is 420 divided by 30 days is still 16 beers a day...8 beers a day each.
Now we know how the lake got filled...LOL

And??
Come on dude..16..summertime...lake havasu...boat

I wasn't ten

 

[Chopper0080]

agree...and in the end its all about money...and we aint writing the checks.

JLove will be paid as a top 5 RB in the league rather he performs or not.
if someone wants a top RB, they should just sign one...thats the thought, getting a guy thats proven already.

But those backs dont come available often...and they might not want to come play for your 4th in the division team.

I think drafting one was our best option..a small gamble.. but even had we signed a Barkley, or a Henry...with injuries and such...there was still risk.

in the end, we got cap space for it and it aint my money...and truth is I prefer home grown star players..there is just something special about them.

It's about scarcity, opportunity to exceed expectations, and cost savings in terms of the salary cap. In a league designed for parity, taking advantage of these things is what separates good franchises from the rest.

 

[Chopper0080]

Wives are like elephants. Pretty cool you think you might want one but you really don't need the bs

Strong disagreement here.

 

[oaken1]

It's about scarcity, opportunity to exceed expectations, and cost savings in terms of the salary cap. In a league designed for parity, taking advantage of these things is what separates good franchises from the rest.

I acknowledged all that in my post...and came to the conclusion that it is all irrelevant in regards to our situation.
because...who were we gonna draft??
How were they going to work out??
History says..we were gonna draft the wrong guy.
History says, he wasnt going to work out.
You and a few others make a career out of pointing out how badly we draft..how we seem to ruin players.

so what exactly makes you think this situation would have been different??
Had we stuck with "The right way"..and drafted..say...Arvell Reese..a slight stretch for positional value...but a guy many thought was a valid choice at pick 3.
what makes you think Reese would have become an all pro here..or even a pro bowler?? What indicator tells you that our defensive staff has the tools and experience to develop a guy like Reese into a valid star player?

at least with RB, it is a fairly autonomous position...once you give the guy the ball he can either make something happen or he cant...but "development" is fairly limited for the position...not non existent...but limited... so Loves success will mostly ride on...The quality and health of the line in front of him....and the play calls in various situations...then it all falls on his own abilities to play football.

But I am really curious because you seem to be pretty invested...what do you see that has you believing we would develop Reese better than we did Simmons,.. or Reddick... or better than we have done with Robinson so far.

this team doesnt do it. havent in years...who Reese was in January is exactly who he would be in 2029 if he had come to Arizona.

so why draft him??

and linemen?? Naw dog,...not at 3...none of these tackles were worthy of a top 10 pick...if we went line at 3 Ioane was the only guy I could maybe stomach there....but it still would have been met with some exasperation.

 

[Chopper0080]

I acknowledged all that in my post...and came to the conclusion that it is all irrelevant in regards to our situation.
because...who were we gonna draft??
How were they going to work out??
History says..we were gonna draft the wrong guy.
History says, he wasnt going to work out.
You and a few others make a career out of pointing out how badly we draft..how we seem to ruin players.

so what exactly makes you think this situation would have been different??
Had we stuck with "The right way"..and drafted..say...Arvell Reese..a slight stretch for positional value...but a guy many thought was a valid choice at pick 3.
what makes you think Reese would have become an all pro here..or even a pro bowler?? What indicator tells you that our defensive staff has the tools and experience to develop a guy like Reese into a valid star player?

at least with RB, it is a fairly autonomous position...once you give the guy the ball he can either make something happen or he cant...but "development" is fairly limited for the position...not non existent...but limited... so Loves success will mostly ride on...The quality and health of the line in front of him....and the play calls in various situations...then it all falls on his own abilities to play football.

But I am really curious because you seem to be pretty invested...what do you see that has you believing we would develop Reese better than we did Simmons,.. or Reddick... or better than we have done with Robinson so far.

this team doesnt do it. havent in years...who Reese was in January is exactly who he would be in 2029 if he had come to Arizona.

so why draft him??

and linemen?? Naw dog,...not at 3...none of these tackles were worthy of a top 10 pick...if we went line at 3 Ioane was the only guy I could maybe stomach there....but it still would have been met with some exasperation.

The alternatives to draft have all been discussed ad nauseum. There is a risk reward proposition with every draft pick. That is why I brought up exceeding expectations. Love is being paid out the gate as a top 10 RB. Of the Reese, Mauigoa, Love options, he is the only player where he will need to be a top 10 performer to meet his current pay level. If he isn't, the Cardinals will in a negative salary situation with a player still on their rookie deal. That is very different than a player like MHJ who has disappointed as a top 5 pick but because of his position, he is still only the 40th paid WR in the league.

The only way Love is outperforming his rookie contract is if he outperforms Saquon, CMC, Henry, Walker, Breece, and Taylor this season and then Gibbs and Bijan after they get their new deals.


EDIT
Mauigoa needs to be better than Morgan Moses.
Arvell Reese needs to be better than Carl Granderson and RBradley Chubb

 

[mel typer]

Strong disagreement here.

Of course

 

[Chopper0080]

Of course

My wife adds a lot of value to my life. I would not be anywhere near as happy without her. We have been together 20+ years and it is still great.

 

[gimpy]

My wife adds a lot of value to my life. I would not be anywhere near as happy without her. We have been together 20+ years and it is still great.

51 years for me and mine in May.

 

[mel typer]

My wife adds a lot of value to my life. I would not be anywhere near as happy without her. We have been together 20+ years and it is still great.

Was married for 21 years. The only regret I have is I didn't leave her sooner. God bless I'm happy you're happy.

 

[CardNots]

51 years for me and mine in May.

Impressive

 

[some dumb guy]

51 years for me and mine in May.

First, congratulations to you and your wife
Second, YOU called MadCardDisease OLD??? LOLOLOL

 

[mel typer]

It was a joke about the wife's. There was a time I was happy married but things changed a long with her. She turned into a woman I didn't takes vows with and YOLO. I'm happy for all of you but I refuse to live unhappy.

 

[mel typer]

My wife adds a lot of value to my life. I would not be anywhere near as happy without her. We have been together 20+ years and it is still great.

And I could only imagine who is reading this. Don't write to me write to whomever.

 

[daves]

It's about scarcity, opportunity to exceed expectations, and cost savings in terms of the salary cap. In a league designed for parity, taking advantage of these things is what separates good franchises from the rest.

I agree with everyone who has made this point... but in the grand scheme of things, if they don't get full value from $13M of a $300M cap (<5%), it's no biggie. It's not in the same realm as blowing $46M (>15%) on a QB who chokes in every game that matters.

If the Cardinals were trying to eke out an edge over the Seahawks this season, it would matter a lot more. Just trying to get out of the NFL's basement and reach respectability, I think having a player who makes the offense dangerous on any play outweighs the cap inefficiency. And if he turns out to be one of the best RBs in the league over the next 5 years, the whole point will be moot.

 

[Chopper0080]

I agree with everyone who has made this point... but in the grand scheme of things, if they don't get full value from $13M of a $300M cap (<5%), it's no biggie. It's not in the same realm as blowing $46M (>15%) on a QB who chokes in every game that matters.

If the Cardinals were trying to eke out an edge over the Seahawks this season, it would matter a lot more. Just trying to get out of the NFL's basement and reach respectability, I think having a player who makes the offense dangerous on any play outweighs the cap inefficiency. And if he turns out to be one of the best RBs in the league over the next 5 years, the whole point will be moot.

Bad process = good result can be a thing. I feel like there is a lot of consternation on this board about the MHJ pick despite his average salary being like 8 mil per year. There should be even more if Love isn't a top 10 RB his rookie year with a 13 mil per year contract.

and I don't want to hear it isn't his fault because the Cardinals had a losing season...

...or because the Cardinals don't have a good offensive line...

...or because the Cardinals have a bad QB situation.

Those were all known factors ahead of time.

 

[mel typer]

Bad process = good result can be a thing. I feel like there is a lot of consternation on this board about the MHJ pick despite his average salary being like 8 mil per year. There should be even more if Love isn't a top 10 RB his rookie year with a 13 mil per year contract.

and I don't want to hear it isn't his fault because the Cardinals had a losing season...

...or because the Cardinals don't have a good offensive line...

...or because the Cardinals have a bad QB situation.

Those were all known factors ahead of time.

Plus a new HC and OC. Mixed in with a roster rebuild not everyone is going to be in good spirits. Looking back and looking forward Kyler Murray wasn't an answer. Looking back the Josh Rosen pick was horrible and drafting K1 was the same senioro. Time will tell

 

[Chopper0080]

Plus a new HC and OC. Mixed in with a roster rebuild not everyone is going to be in good spirits. Looking back and looking forward Kyler Murray wasn't an answer. Looking back the Josh Rosen pick was horrible and drafting K1 was the same senioro. Time will tell

Yup. I hope he works out. I hope we see more wins than other teams who have drafted a RB high. I hope he signs a second contract with AZ. That said, he has to hit and hit immediately for this pick to be worth it because there is a narrow window for success.

 

[602 Native]

The Cardinals made the wrong pick guys.

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[kerouac9]

The Cardinals made the wrong pick guys.

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This same post was made about MHJ my guy

 

[602 Native]

This same post was made about MHJ my guy

And I will still argue that the coaches that had him were terrible.

Hence why they aren’t here and thank god to that.

 

[Chopper0080]

The Cardinals made the wrong pick guys.

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I bet Jadarian Price at +1000

 

[Goldfield]

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[BritCard]

Breece Halls rookie highlights is exactly how I would expect Love to be used in the passing game.

Hall had 5.8YPA that year, although he split carries with Michael Carter, behind a mediocre O line.

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[kerouac9]

Breece Halls rookie highlights is exactly how I would expect Love to be used in the passing game.

Hall had 5.8YPA that year, although he split carries with Michael Carter, behind a mediocre O line.

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He also destroyed his knee after seven games and was a second round pick.

Saquon had 2000 all-purpose yards as a rookie. THAT’S what we should expect.

 

[Chopper0080]

He also destroyed his knee after seven games and was a second round pick.

Saquon had 2000 all-purpose yards as a rookie. THAT’S what we should expect.

Yup. Love needs to be a top 10 player at RB in 2026. Fair or not, that is what his draft position and contract demand.