Jeremiyah Love No Matter What

[schutd]

Yet still a great example to the poster trying to chastise the board for not wanting inferior OT talent.

to be fair the poster's point was, that was 30 year old thinking. so using 20 year old examples only serves to shore his point up, not yours.

 

[mjb21aztd]

Love with conor, benson couldddd be a fun trio at rb if oline improves!!

Fingers crossed cards make right decesion in draft not to far ))) cards sbowl sigh lol

 

[GimmedaBall]

NO. We weren’t “down” WH. We had ALL OFFSEASON to plug that hole and even plugged it the prior year when he went down and still gashed people in the run. The same with Jonah Williams. He went down in Game 1 of 2024 and the O-line still gashed people all season.

So, why didn’t the Cards fire Fyre along with the JG and DP?? If injuries didn’t play a significant role, then it must have all been on the new OL coach. According to your assertion, we were 'totally healthy' for the first four-five games. Taking injuries into account didn’t salvage DP—what saved Fyre from a pink slip???

 

[GimmedaBall]

He was very good at OSU. I’m hoping last year was a combination of guys limited by injury and something of a learning curve. I’m not opposed to taking a chance with him in a non-playoff year.

Yes. Frye has an excellent resume and those who are quick to bash him need to read it. He has connections with some current NFL players---including our own PJJ and QB C,J.Stroud.

Here's the link again: https://www.azcardinals.com/team/coaches-roster/justin-frye

That resume is probably the reason why he didn't get canned along with JG and DP.

 

[Goldfield]

AP played for 7 different teams and never won anything besides personal accolades. Trouble seemed to follow him during his entire career (off the field). Great physical specimen, but a mental bonehead.

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And one of the best RBs ever imo

 

[Krangodnzr]

Mauigoa isn't the consensus top tackle in the draft. You have them as a similar rating. I don't. It's the crux of our disagreement. All good.

Well you're a bit of an outlier then, because Mauigoa is mostly considered the best tackle and Love is considered proximal to Mauigoa by most observers.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Yet still a great example to the poster trying to chastise the board for not wanting inferior OT talent.

Who's "chastising"?

 

[Russ Smith]

Right.

Mauigoa>>>>>Levi Brown.

Brown was considered a reach. He had uneven tape but enormous potential. At the time, there were scouts who said he had more upside than Joe Thomas (LOL).

Mauigoa has a tremendous resume. He's massive and played extremely well for a high profile team. His floor is extremely high because he is a good kid and has above average tools.

I understand the excitement of taking Love, I really do. The younger me would have been a Love-stan for sure. I used to bristle at the concept of taking OL high, but I've watched smart teams do it with very good results. I just question why it would be smart to take a player at a position the Cardinals have depth at vs a position that is barren.

If you have two prospects of similar rating, you take the guy who fills a bigger need. It's what pretty much every team does, every time.

So again I don't dislike Mauigoa but I think he's sort of become overrated. He literally last week was asked if he had a problem moving to guard in the NFL and said I prefer to play tackle but will do whatever my NFL team asks me to do. Great attitude but we're talking about using the 3rd pick in the draft on a guy who many scouts think is actually going to end up a guard and the reason for not taking Love is you don't take RB's that high?

In a matter of weeks we've gone from take Mauigoa and if PJJ's knee becomes an issue in the future we can move Mauigoa to LT, now it's well he's willing to move to guard if the team wants to.

 

[Cardiac]

So, why didn’t the Cards fire Fyre along with the JG and DP?? If injuries didn’t play a significant role, then it must have all been on the new OL coach. According to your assertion, we were 'totally healthy' for the first four-five games. Taking injuries into account didn’t salvage DP—what saved Fyre from a pink slip???

Some might say that Mikey didn't want to pay yet another coach for not working for the Cards. The recent fires only have a year left IIRC.
I'm not saying this but I put nothing past this owner.

 

[Krangodnzr]

So again I don't dislike Mauigoa but I think he's sort of become overrated. He literally last week was asked if he had a problem moving to guard in the NFL and said I prefer to play tackle but will do whatever my NFL team asks me to do. Great attitude but we're talking about using the 3rd pick in the draft on a guy who many scouts think is actually going to end up a guard and the reason for not taking Love is you don't take RB's that high?

In a matter of weeks we've gone from take Mauigoa and if PJJ's knee becomes an issue in the future we can move Mauigoa to LT, now it's well he's willing to move to guard if the team wants to.

Just like @Chopper0080 noted, the same was said about Wirfs. It's been an idea for many tackles because of their wife body look.

Mauigoa only allowed 10 pressures all season and no sacks. He's very much deserving of his high ranking in the class.

I do have a caveat; I'd rather NOT take a right tackle this high, but the Cardinals have essentially painted themselves in this corner from years of failed drafts. They pretty much have to take a RT, and the chances one of the better RTs are available in round two is small. I wouldn't risk it when you have a great prospect at an important position.

If Bailey is available, I'm running the card to the podium and taking that risk, but not for a running back who is really good, but not even on the Bijan Robinson class

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Leland McElroy approves, and so does Thomas Jones.

Mcelroy? The second round’s never was? Weird name to resurrect here.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Right.

Mauigoa>>>>>Levi Brown.

Brown was considered a reach. He had uneven tape but enormous potential. At the time, there were scouts who said he had more upside than Joe Thomas (LOL).

Mauigoa has a tremendous resume. He's massive and played extremely well for a high profile team. His floor is extremely high because he is a good kid and has above average tools.

I understand the excitement of taking Love, I really do. The younger me would have been a Love-stan for sure. I used to bristle at the concept of taking OL high, but I've watched smart teams do it with very good results. I just question why it would be smart to take a player at a position the Cardinals have depth at vs a position that is barren.

If you have two prospects of similar rating, you take the guy who fills a bigger need. It's what pretty much every team does, every time.

I love the idea of taking an offensive lineman high. When they are a stud. Mauigoa isn’t considered that.

 

[Stout]

to be fair the poster's point was, that was 30 year old thinking. so using 20 year old examples only serves to shore his point up, not yours.

Yeah, no. Drafting inferior talent is as bad an idea now as it was 30 years ago. When someone can actually name the consensus top OT in this draft, get back to me.

 

[Stout]

Yes. Frye has an excellent resume and those who are quick to bash him need to read it. He has connections with some current NFL players---including our own PJJ and QB C,J.Stroud.

Here's the link again: https://www.azcardinals.com/team/coaches-roster/justin-frye

That resume is probably the reason why he didn't get canned along with JG and DP.

Yeah, nothing to do with Bidwillian cheapskate syndrome.

 

[Stout]

Well you're a bit of an outlier then, because Mauigoa is mostly considered the best tackle and Love is considered proximal to Mauigoa by most observers.

Not even true on this board lol Ask Gandhi. And, besides just posting your opinions, can you back it up with facts? Thanks much.

 

[Stout]

I love the idea of taking an offensive lineman high. When they are a stud. Mauigoa isn’t considered that.

But, c'mon Ouchie...there's consensus.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

But, c'mon Ouchie...there's consensus.

People can do a great job of talking themselves into things.

 

[Cheesebeef]

People can do a great job of talking themselves into things.

You’re talking about someone who talked themselves out of Will Anderson a couple years ago ago.

 

[kerouac9]

I'll place a call to Search-and-Rescue. What are your last coordinates?

Reality

 

[kerouac9]

We don't need 5 superstars on the OL, we need 5 vet players who will mesh as a unit.

Do you agree or disagree?

I agree with the theory. We’re still missing 2 vet OL by my count.

 

[HairZach]

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[GimmedaBall]

Yeah, nothing to do with Bidwillian cheapskate syndrome.

IF MB was going to remain true to his past behavior, he would have fired Jusin Frye and been on the hook for any remaining contract. When it comes to contracts, he’s more finacial irresponsibility that any cheapskate syndrome. MB confuses a lack of patience and impulse firing with strong leadership.

I haven’t been able to find any numbers/years on Frye’s orginial contract (even using AI search). If Monti did indeed sign JF to a muti-year contract, maybe Monti is the one MB should fire? Especially after the long-term deals by SK to KM and KK. Oh, wait a minute, maybe MB signed MO to a long-term contract.

 

[GimmedaBall]

I agree with the theory. We’re still missing 2 vet OL by my count.

Still a month out until draft. We will see some vets cut after the draft when teams move on with their new toy. Got camp cuts and final roster cuts as well. Might find another healthy WH in the mix.

 

[GimmedaBall]

Reality

No such GPS readings here in the Arizona Cardinal Fantasy Galaxy that has us headed toward the SuperBowl. . . if we just take a RT.

 

[mel typer]

Trad

As much as I have been rattling the chains and talking up Love---more signs appear to point to Cards making moves to get Simpson. The moves at RB appear to indicate that they will not take Love and have instead assembled a RB room without him. Also, signing JB to a two-year deal can be viewed as having him on the roster to mentor a QB based on his involvement with Drake Maye of the Patties.

I'll give credit to MO that he is engaged in long-term projections for not just this draft but others as well. Is Simpson our best shot at a QB based on projections of who will be available next season and where we stand to finish in that draft order? There are other bottom-feeders who may push us down the draft order with some teams accumulating future picks and a better chance at trading up. So, Simpson may well be our opportunity at #3 to get a potential QBOF. Other teams have been mentioned around Simpson including the Jets.

If we don't take him at #3 perhaps a trade down for additional picks? Someone like Jerry Jones loves him some RB and may give us the Cowpie two first-round picks in this draft to move and take Love. They need D but Love is a game changer.

If we trade down, maybe get Simpson and also a OL like Fano (who is currently slotted as a late first rounder).

(I still want Love and would like to see JB get a real opportunity to be the starter for not only this year but going forward.)

Trading down hasn't produced any wins. Cards have a chance to get a blue chip player they need to pick at #3