Jeremiyah Love No Matter What

[GimmedaBall]

Lost me here

Go back and look at the roster-building process when MO first joined the Cards. He put together a group of OL who would play together as a unit under the guidance of a good OL coach. We had a solid run game that took the full responsibility of the offense off KM and created space for JC. Then the injuries started---first with Will Hernandez going out and then the record number of injuries in 2025 and the loss of the OL coach.

Monti is doing the same this year. You can put together a decent OL with FA/draft when you get the right guys who will function as a unit. Recall last season when both WH and Jonah Williams went out with knees---both came back too soon. The smooth coordination between them was gone with RT JW having lost his explosiveness and agility by coming back too soon. I recall WH getting on JW for allowing the pass rush to get through---the cohesion was no longer there.

We don't need 5 superstars on the OL, we need 5 vet players who will mesh as a unit.

Do you agree or disagree?

 

[schutd]

Levi Brown approves this message.

19 years ago.

 

[schutd]

Go back and look at the roster-building process when MO first joined the Cards. He put together a group of OL who would play together as a unit under the guidance of a good OL coach. We had a solid run game that took the full responsibility of the offense off KM and created space for JC. Then the injuries started---first with Will Hernandez going out and then the record number of injuries in 2025 and the loss of the OL coach.

Monti is doing the same this year. You can put together a decent OL with FA/draft when you get the right guys who will function as a unit. Recall last season when both WH and Jonah Williams went out with knees---both came back too soon. The smooth coordination between them was gone with RT JW having lost his explosiveness and agility by coming back too soon. I recall WH getting on JW for allowing the pass rush to get through---the cohesion was no longer there.

We don't need 5 superstars on the OL, we need 5 vet players who will mesh as a unit.

Do you agree or disagree?

We also decided to keep the replacement OL coach who oversaw a drastically poorer performing line the following year, for this upcoming season. Great idea.

 

[Cheesebeef]

We also decided to keep the replacement OL coach who oversaw a drastically poorer performing line the following year, for this upcoming season. Great idea.

Just makes such little sense.

 

[GimmedaBall]

We also decided to keep the replacement OL coach who oversaw a drastically poorer performing line the following year, for this upcoming season. Great idea.

It remains to be seen if the problem was the record-number of IR visits and missed games. We did have the 7th rated passing attack under Frye in 2025. The decreased production with the run game was being down to street FA starting. That is an amazing stat considering the MASH unit that was the roster. By the end of the year, Cards were sending out a practice squad assembly of players. They still did enough to get McBride some record-breaking numbers and MW his first 1,000 yd season. I think he showed enough to warrant his return.

The Official Site of the Arizona Cardinals

Justin Frye is in his second season with the Cardinals after being hired as the team's offensive line coach on 2/12/25. A 19-year coaching veteran, Frye came to Arizona in 2025 after spending the previous three seasons (2022-24) at Ohio State, including h

www.azcardinals.com

 

[GimmedaBall]

Just makes such little sense.

I give more weight to the IR than to a lack of coaching ability of Fyre. Let's see what he can do provided the OL stays healthy---and we have a few healthy RBs as well.

The Official Site of the Arizona Cardinals

Justin Frye is in his second season with the Cardinals after being hired as the team's offensive line coach on 2/12/25. A 19-year coaching veteran, Frye came to Arizona in 2025 after spending the previous three seasons (2022-24) at Ohio State, including h

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[oaken1]

It remains to be seen if the problem was the record-number of IR visits and missed games. We did have the 7th rated passing attack under Frye in 2025. The decreased production with the run game was being down to street FA starting. That is an amazing stat considering the MASH unit that was the roster. By the end of the year, Cards were sending out a practice squad assembly of players. They still did enough to get McBride some record-breaking numbers and MW his first 1,000 yd season. I think he showed enough to warrant his return.

The Official Site of the Arizona Cardinals

Justin Frye is in his second season with the Cardinals after being hired as the team's offensive line coach on 2/12/25. A 19-year coaching veteran, Frye came to Arizona in 2025 after spending the previous three seasons (2022-24) at Ohio State, including h

www.azcardinals.com

But it doesnt. they sucked before the injuries really even started,,,the difference in coaching was blatantly obvious from day one. Frye suxx azz

 

[schutd]

It remains to be seen if the problem was the record-number of IR visits and missed games. We did have the 7th rated passing attack under Frye in 2025. The decreased production with the run game was being down to street FA starting. That is an amazing stat considering the MASH unit that was the roster. By the end of the year, Cards were sending out a practice squad assembly of players. They still did enough to get McBride some record-breaking numbers and MW his first 1,000 yd season. I think he showed enough to warrant his return.

The Official Site of the Arizona Cardinals

Justin Frye is in his second season with the Cardinals after being hired as the team's offensive line coach on 2/12/25. A 19-year coaching veteran, Frye came to Arizona in 2025 after spending the previous three seasons (2022-24) at Ohio State, including h

www.azcardinals.com

Hope you're right. Brissett holds the ball too long, yes. That could compound part of the issue, for sure. Injuries were real. But man, I rarely if ever saw holes opening up for RBs and I saw pockets collapsing ridiculously quick, all season. 7th rated attack means little, IMO when you're spending an entire season trying to throw yourself out of a hole.

 

[Stout]

Go back and look at the roster-building process when MO first joined the Cards. He put together a group of OL who would play together as a unit under the guidance of a good OL coach. We had a solid run game that took the full responsibility of the offense off KM and created space for JC. Then the injuries started---first with Will Hernandez going out and then the record number of injuries in 2025 and the loss of the OL coach.

Monti is doing the same this year. You can put together a decent OL with FA/draft when you get the right guys who will function as a unit. Recall last season when both WH and Jonah Williams went out with knees---both came back too soon. The smooth coordination between them was gone with RT JW having lost his explosiveness and agility by coming back too soon. I recall WH getting on JW for allowing the pass rush to get through---the cohesion was no longer there.

We don't need 5 superstars on the OL, we need 5 vet players who will mesh as a unit.

Do you agree or disagree?

We don't have that good OL coach, in case you've forgotten. We retained the ish OL coach who replaced him.

 

[Stout]

19 years ago.

Yet still a great example to the poster trying to chastise the board for not wanting inferior OT talent.

 

[Stout]

I give more weight to the IR than to a lack of coaching ability of Fyre. Let's see what he can do provided the OL stays healthy---and we have a few healthy RBs as well.

The Official Site of the Arizona Cardinals

Justin Frye is in his second season with the Cardinals after being hired as the team's offensive line coach on 2/12/25. A 19-year coaching veteran, Frye came to Arizona in 2025 after spending the previous three seasons (2022-24) at Ohio State, including h

www.azcardinals.com

Except the running game sucked before the injuries too.

 

[Stout]

But it doesnt. they sucked before the injuries really even started,,,the difference in coaching was blatantly obvious from day one. Frye suxx azz

Borg.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Levi Brown approves this message.

Leland McElroy approves, and so does Thomas Jones.

 

[GimmedaBall]

But it doesnt. they sucked before the injuries really even started,,,the difference in coaching was blatantly obvious from day one. Frye suxx azz

Wrong. The problems with the OL and injuries was there from game 1 of 2025. I'll give you my reasoning and expect to see yours as well.

Jonah Williams stat page:

Jonah Williams Stats, Height, Weight, Position, Draft, College | Pro-Football-Reference.com

Checkout the latest stats for Jonah Williams. Get info about his position, age, height, weight, college, draft, and more on Pro-football-reference.com.

www.pro-football-reference.com

Check out his long history of being injured going back to his time with the Bengals by looking at the ‘Transaction’ part of his history.

From the beginning of 2025, we were down WH and had JW coming back way too early to man the RT position. Even in the two early victories, our run game suffered with our guards and a diminished JW. That right side of the line was not functioning as a result. WH was out, JW back too soon. It also appeared that JC didn’t have that initial burst to get past the line. Our yardage total vs the Saints was skewed by two big runs, one by JC and one by Benson. Back to reality in our second game win.

Coaching or injuries?? I still see it as due more to injury and JC losing a half-step off his game (that happens to RB going into their 30's). A big loss was blocking TE Tip Remain around game 4. Later in the year, we were down to starting practice squad RB and OL. You can argue against the passing yards and that 7th rated numbers—that showed JB’s courage as much as anything. But Fyre was also the OL coach of record to get those numbers for both McBride and Wilson.

Why do you suppose Fyre was kept on staff while JG and DP were fired? If Fyre 'suxx azz' as you claim, why did MO/MB/HC keep him? It would have been just as easy to fire the entire offense coaching staff as keep the OL coach. Let our new HC hire his own OL coach????

(My Reply applies to Stout's several comments as well.)

(Side note: Looks like PFR mixed up DL Jonah Williams with OL Jonah Williams. They have OL JW signing with the Cards on March 12---we signed the DL JW. LOL)

 

[Stout]

Leland McElroy approves, and so does Thomas Jones.

Thank you for supporting my point that absolute statements about position are ridiculous and that circumstances and talent level need to be considered

 

[Krangodnzr]

Thank you for supporting my point that absolute statements about position are ridiculous and that circumstances and talent level need to be considered

Right.

Mauigoa>>>>>Levi Brown.

Brown was considered a reach. He had uneven tape but enormous potential. At the time, there were scouts who said he had more upside than Joe Thomas (LOL).

Mauigoa has a tremendous resume. He's massive and played extremely well for a high profile team. His floor is extremely high because he is a good kid and has above average tools.

I understand the excitement of taking Love, I really do. The younger me would have been a Love-stan for sure. I used to bristle at the concept of taking OL high, but I've watched smart teams do it with very good results. I just question why it would be smart to take a player at a position the Cardinals have depth at vs a position that is barren.

If you have two prospects of similar rating, you take the guy who fills a bigger need. It's what pretty much every team does, every time.

 

[mel typer]

JC is still on the roster at a reduced cost. Maybe the Cards are waiting to see if he can come back from the ankle that put him out for the year? Afterall, this is the guy who beat cancer to continue his pro career.

Cards are hedging their bet on JC by getting him at a lower $$$, make some salary cap space, give him time to prove himself during camp, evaluate against who else is in the RB room. I'm also reading the tea leaves on this contract business that they are considering Love and if that doesn't work out, they would still have JC as a possible RB-by-committee.

I still think he's a cut before the roster is finalized.

Can see this happening

 

[mel typer]

Thank you for supporting my point that absolute statements about position are ridiculous and that circumstances and talent level need to be considered

Kind of off topic here but I'd rather have Love than some mock drafts putting Ty Simpson at #3

 

[Stout]

Right.

Mauigoa>>>>>Levi Brown.

Brown was considered a reach. He had uneven tape but enormous potential. At the time, there were scouts who said he had more upside than Joe Thomas (LOL).

Mauigoa has a tremendous resume. He's massive and played extremely well for a high profile team. His floor is extremely high because he is a good kid and has above average tools.

I understand the excitement of taking Love, I really do. The younger me would have been a Love-stan for sure. I used to bristle at the concept of taking OL high, but I've watched smart teams do it with very good results. I just question why it would be smart to take a player at a position the Cardinals have depth at vs a position that is barren.

If you have two prospects of similar rating, you take the guy who fills a bigger need. It's what pretty much every team does, every time.

Mauigoa isn't the consensus top tackle in the draft. You have them as a similar rating. I don't. It's the crux of our disagreement. All good.

 

[GimmedaBall]

Kind of off topic here but I'd rather have Love than some mock drafts putting Ty Simpson at #3

As much as I have been rattling the chains and talking up Love---more signs appear to point to Cards making moves to get Simpson. The moves at RB appear to indicate that they will not take Love and have instead assembled a RB room without him. Also, signing JB to a two-year deal can be viewed as having him on the roster to mentor a QB based on his involvement with Drake Maye of the Patties.

I'll give credit to MO that he is engaged in long-term projections for not just this draft but others as well. Is Simpson our best shot at a QB based on projections of who will be available next season and where we stand to finish in that draft order? There are other bottom-feeders who may push us down the draft order with some teams accumulating future picks and a better chance at trading up. So, Simpson may well be our opportunity at #3 to get a potential QBOF. Other teams have been mentioned around Simpson including the Jets.

If we don't take him at #3 perhaps a trade down for additional picks? Someone like Jerry Jones loves him some RB and may give us the Cowpie two first-round picks in this draft to move and take Love. They need D but Love is a game changer.

If we trade down, maybe get Simpson and also a OL like Fano (who is currently slotted as a late first rounder).

(I still want Love and would like to see JB get a real opportunity to be the starter for not only this year but going forward.)

 

[Cheesebeef]

I give more weight to the IR than to a lack of coaching ability of Fyre. Let's see what he can do provided the OL stays healthy---and we have a few healthy RBs as well.

The Official Site of the Arizona Cardinals

Justin Frye is in his second season with the Cardinals after being hired as the team's offensive line coach on 2/12/25. A 19-year coaching veteran, Frye came to Arizona in 2025 after spending the previous three seasons (2022-24) at Ohio State, including h

www.azcardinals.com

They were totally healthy the first five or six games of the season and were atrocious before any injuries hit the O-Line.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Wrong. The problems with the OL and injuries was there from game 1 of 2025. I'll give you my reasoning and expect to see yours as well.

Jonah Williams stat page:

Jonah Williams Stats, Height, Weight, Position, Draft, College | Pro-Football-Reference.com

Checkout the latest stats for Jonah Williams. Get info about his position, age, height, weight, college, draft, and more on Pro-football-reference.com.

www.pro-football-reference.com

Check out his long history of being injured going back to his time with the Bengals by looking at the ‘Transaction’ part of his history.

From the beginning of 2025, we were down WH and had JW coming back way too early to man the RT position.

NO. We weren’t “down” WH. We had ALL OFFSEASON to plug that hole and even plugged it the prior year when he went down and still gashed people in the run. The same with Jonah Williams. He went down in Game 1 of 2024 and the O-line still gashed people all season.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

JC is still on the roster at a reduced cost. Maybe the Cards are waiting to see if he can come back from the ankle that put him out for the year? Afterall, this is the guy who beat cancer to continue his pro career.

Cards are hedging their bet on JC by getting him at a lower $$$, make some salary cap space, give him time to prove himself during camp, evaluate against who else is in the RB room. I'm also reading the tea leaves on this contract business that they are considering Love and if that doesn't work out, they would still have JC as a possible RB-by-committee.

I still think he's a cut before the roster is finalized.

It would be interesting if you are correct. I looking forward to seeing how it plays out.

 

[Harry]

We also decided to keep the replacement OL coach who oversaw a drastically poorer performing line the following year, for this upcoming season. Great idea.

He was very good at OSU. I’m hoping last year was a combination of guys limited by injury and something of a learning curve. I’m not opposed to taking a chance with him in a non-playoff year.

 

[some dumb guy]

I’m not opposed to taking a chance with him in a NON PLAYOFF YEAR.

Who wants to be first??...lololol