The Passing Game Under Brissett

[Crimson Warrior]

I think JB coming in on a heater is skewing the analysis of the other components of the passing game some.

He's a career 85.0 passer over 1850 attempts. He's going to regress back to that eventually.

However, he's revealed a few of truths:

Positives:

1. Both DP and the WRs can capably convert 3rd and very long (15 or more) if given the opportunity. 4 such conversions in two games vs. zero in the previous 30 games. SMH K1.

2. Zay Jones is not cooked. He's a working class man's WR3 probably (7/146/0 in the last two, which over 17 games projects out to 60/1240/0) (33 YPC vs GB wow).

3. Michael Wilson is not the worst WR2 in the history of the NFL (7/88/0 in the last two, which over 17 games projects out to 60/750/0).

Negatives:

1. The pass blocking is suspect. JB courageous, but has taken a beating in his two starts. 8 sacks over two games is too many. Projects out to 68 for a full year.

2. MHJ still not nearly enough of a factor even though we were throwing it all over the yard these last two games (4/90/0 in 1.4 games (went out in Q2 of game one), which over 17 games projects out to 49/1093/0)


Side Notes:

1. McBride still the focus of the passing game. (18/146/3 for these last two, which over 17 games projects out to 153/1240/26). Wow. McBride averaging 12 targets per game these last two, vs. seven targets per game previous to Brissett taking over.

 

[Harry]

I think JB coming in on a heater is skewing the analysis of the other components of the passing game some.

He's a career 85.0 passer over 1850 attempts. He's going to regress back to that eventually.

However, he's revealed a few of truths:

Positives:

1. Both DP and the WRs can capably convert 3rd and very long (15 or more) if given the opportunity. 4 such conversions in two games vs. zero in the previous 30 games. SMH K1.

2. Zay Jones is not cooked. He's a working class man's WR3 probably (7/146/0 in the last two, which over 17 games projects out to 60/1240/0) (33 YPC vs GB wow).

3. Michael Wilson is not the worst WR2 in the history of the NFL (7/88/0 in the last two, which over 17 games projects out to 60/750/0).

Negatives:

1. The pass blocking is suspect. JB courageous, but has taken a beating in his two starts. 8 sacks over two games is too many. Projects out to 68 for a full year.

2. MHJ still not nearly enough of a factor even though we were throwing it all over the yard these last two games (4/90/0 in 1.4 games (went out in Q2 of game one), which over 17 games projects out to 49/1093/0)


Side Notes:

1. McBride still the focus of the passing game. (18/146/3 for these last two, which over 17 games projects out to 153/1240/26). Wow. McBride averaging 12 targets per game these last two, vs. seven targets per game previous to Brissett taking over.

The pass blocking is poor, but you have to double team guys when they’re beating your blockers. On those Harrison stats he was wide open on 2 misses at least that were on Brissett.

 

[Totally_Red]

JB's experience in NE must have been a good preparation for the sieve that is the Cardinal OLine. Despite that DP schemed up some good Bam runs to the left off tackle against Green Bay.

 

[AsUpRoDiGy]

I just came in here to say that Jonah Williams is awful. That is all.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

The pass blocking is poor, but you have to double team guys when they’re beating your blockers.

It's a no brainer

Except for our coaching staff

 

[Goodyear Card]

Part of the problem with the OL and DL Is they both have college coaches.

 

[Adrian]

I just came in here to say that Jonah Williams is awful. That is all.

I’m here for all of that smoke.

 

[SECTION 11]

I’m here for all of that smoke.

I’m here to talk home improvement and goalkeeping.

 

[BritCard]

2. MHJ still not nearly enough of a factor even though we were throwing it all over the yard these last two games (4/90/0 in 1.4 games (went out in Q2 of game one), which over 17 games projects out to 49/1093/0)

He did miss most of the Indi game.

 

[football karma]

MHJ still not nearly enough of a factor

super curious to know if Drew:

actively thinks about how defensive attention to MHJ and Trey can be used to regularly spring guys open

or

team X plays this kind of coverage usually, this offensive route combo will take advantage of that


i get it unlikely to be 100% of one or the other, but it sure feels like its way more the latter

 

[schutd]

1. The pass blocking is suspect. JB courageous, but has taken a beating in his two starts. 8 sacks over two games is too many. Projects out to 68 for a full year.

Yes, pass blocking for a QB who likes to release in under 2 seconds, less than 5 yds past the LOS is a very different assignment than pass blocking for a big guy who will hang in the pocket and let routes develop.

The season projection for sacks is skewed, because JB doesn't have to stare down Micah Parsons vs. Evan Brown every week.

JB (and no Conner) has shown us we need a better OL, we desperately need a big, strong-pocket-presence QB, and a backfield with RB's who can actually pass block. Michael Carter is getting smoked out there.

 

[82CardsGrad]

Ugh...I haven't seen anyone suggest JB should be our franchise QB, or that he is nothing more than a journeyman NFL backup. Quite the contrary, it's precisely who JB is that is fueling this entire debate!
As I posted previously, show me - someone...ANYONE, a successful NFL QB (Success = consistent winner as in putting up more W's than L's, and has been to the post season and won post season games), who resembled, even remotely, the style of QB play of Murray. It literally doesn't exist... But, because Murray possesses extraordinary physical tools, we've been led to believe (and some here will do to their graves believing...), that Murray will be the first NFL QB in the history of the game, who doesn't need to be under center and doesn't need to be a consistent & effective pocket-passer. I won't mention his inability to effectively read defenses in ways that ensure he delivers the ball to the right receiver - on time. None of that matters because of his extraordinary physical skills.

Of course, his physical skills have been rendered useless for the most part, because the NFL isn't college and it sure as hell isn't high school. Murray can't out-physical his opponents in the NFL. He can't out-run them and his arm isn't strong enough to compensate for all of his other glaring shortcomings. And I while Murray "seems" to get along OK with his fellow players, the eye-test tells me he is not at all the type of leader most other successful NFL QB's often are. Murray has rarely, if ever lifted his teammates to greater heights. He's never contributed to fellow teammates producing at levels above their skill-level and above expectations. In fact, given JB's performance, it can be said Murray was negatively impacted performances of certain players (see Zay Jones and Michael Wilson).

Anyway... There is no way Mike B and management will be find a way to rationalize Murray's presence on the roster next year. This season is toast and the rest of the year is going to be anything but fun. It is what it is... I don't have all the answers, but I hope the team finds a way to create some measure of success next year. I mean, JB's performance certainly suggests the team can be marginally competitive with an actual, legit NFL QB, even if it's a journeyman career back-up.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

Ugh...I haven't seen anyone suggest JB should be our franchise QB, or that he is nothing more than a journeyman NFL backup. Quite the contrary, it's precisely who JB is that is fueling this entire debate!
As I posted previously, show me - someone...ANYONE, a successful NFL QB (Success = consistent winner as in putting up more W's than L's, and has been to the post season and won post season games), who resembled, even remotely, the style of QB play of Murray. It literally doesn't exist... But, because Murray possesses extraordinary physical tools, we've been led to believe (and some here will do to their graves believing...), that Murray will be the first NFL QB in the history of the game, who doesn't need to be under center and doesn't need to be a consistent & effective pocket-passer. I won't mention his inability to effectively read defenses in ways that ensure he delivers the ball to the right receiver - on time. None of that matters because of his extraordinary physical skills.

Of course, his physical skills have been rendered useless for the most part, because the NFL isn't college and it sure as hell isn't high school. Murray can't out-physical his opponents in the NFL. He can't out-run them and his arm isn't strong enough to compensate for all of his other glaring shortcomings. And I while Murray "seems" to get along OK with his fellow players, the eye-test tells me he is not at all the type of leader most other successful NFL QB's often are. Murray has rarely, if ever lifted his teammates to greater heights. He's never contributed to fellow teammates producing at levels above their skill-level and above expectations. In fact, given JB's performance, it can be said Murray was negatively impacted performances of certain players (see Zay Jones and Michael Wilson).

Anyway... There is no way Mike B and management will be find a way to rationalize Murray's presence on the roster next year. This season is toast and the rest of the year is going to be anything but fun. It is what it is... I don't have all the answers, but I hope the team finds a way to create some measure of success next year. I mean, JB's performance certainly suggests the team can be marginally competitive with an actual, legit NFL QB, even if it's a journeyman career back-up.

Can we not turn this into a Murray thread please?

 

[Crimson Warrior]

super curious to know if Drew:

actively thinks about how defensive attention to MHJ and Trey can be used to regularly spring guys open

or

team X plays this kind of coverage usually, this offensive route combo will take advantage of that


i get it unlikely to be 100% of one or the other, but it sure feels like its way more the latter

I think I agree. They are clearly still running the offense through McBride.

Also, both of Big Play Trey's TDs must have been great play calls because he was wide, wide open on both.

 

[Harry]

Ugh...I haven't seen anyone suggest JB should be our franchise QB, or that he is nothing more than a journeyman NFL backup. Quite the contrary, it's precisely who JB is that is fueling this entire debate!
As I posted previously, show me - someone...ANYONE, a successful NFL QB (Success = consistent winner as in putting up more W's than L's, and has been to the post season and won post season games), who resembled, even remotely, the style of QB play of Murray. It literally doesn't exist... But, because Murray possesses extraordinary physical tools, we've been led to believe (and some here will do to their graves believing...), that Murray will be the first NFL QB in the history of the game, who doesn't need to be under center and doesn't need to be a consistent & effective pocket-passer. I won't mention his inability to effectively read defenses in ways that ensure he delivers the ball to the right receiver - on time. None of that matters because of his extraordinary physical skills.

Of course, his physical skills have been rendered useless for the most part, because the NFL isn't college and it sure as hell isn't high school. Murray can't out-physical his opponents in the NFL. He can't out-run them and his arm isn't strong enough to compensate for all of his other glaring shortcomings. And I while Murray "seems" to get along OK with his fellow players, the eye-test tells me he is not at all the type of leader most other successful NFL QB's often are. Murray has rarely, if ever lifted his teammates to greater heights. He's never contributed to fellow teammates producing at levels above their skill-level and above expectations. In fact, given JB's performance, it can be said Murray was negatively impacted performances of certain players (see Zay Jones and Michael Wilson).

Anyway... There is no way Mike B and management will be find a way to rationalize Murray's presence on the roster next year. This season is toast and the rest of the year is going to be anything but fun. It is what it is... I don't have all the answers, but I hope the team finds a way to create some measure of success next year. I mean, JB's performance certainly suggests the team can be marginally competitive with an actual, legit NFL QB, even if it's a journeyman career back-up.

Actually I wrote it on 10/18, “I’m not going to say the journeyman, Brissett, is better than Murray, but he will handle the Packs’ rush better.” I’ll give you a old example, Fran Tarkenton. His team went 12-2 in 1973 & 1975. He did take snaps under center, but ran around forever to elude rushers. Check him out on YouTube. As to Murray, I believe he will indeed be gone.

 

[82CardsGrad]

Actually I wrote it on 10/18, “I’m not going to say the journeyman, Brissett, is better than Murray, but he will handle the Packs’ rush better.” I’ll give you an old example, Fran Tarkenton. His team went 12-2 in 1973 & 1975. He did take snaps under center, but ran around forever to elude rushers. Check him out on YouTube. As to Murray, I believe he will indeed be gone.

Harry… I’m 61. Old enough to remember Tarkenton very well. He was indeed a scrambling man, but against defenders who ran at half the speed of today’s defenders and were not even in the same universe with defenders of today in terms of athleticism.

Fran Tarkenton today? Would struggle to get off the practice squad.

 

[KYCardFan]

He is 1-4 as a starter

Murray was 2-3

There’s no improvement in the position

 

[BurqueCardFan]

He is 1-4 as a starter

Murray was 2-3

There’s no improvement in the position

There’s definitely improvement in the position. There’s just regression in other areas, like defense

 

[Brian in Mesa]

He is 1-4 as a starter

Murray was 2-3

There’s no improvement in the position

There has likely been more activity in the film room. Just saying.

 

[Dback Jon]

There has likely been more activity in the film room. Just saying.

There sure was for Seattle on how to go after the statue

 

[Brian in Mesa]

There sure was for Seattle on how to go after the statue

Kurt Warner was a statue. He went to three Super Bowls with a career rushing total of only 286 yards in his career.

Jacoby has 1,000 rushing yards in his career as comparison. He scrambles when he has to.

 

[Mulli]

Kurt Warner was a statue. He went to three Super Bowls with a career rushing total of only 286 yards in his career.

Jacoby has 1,000 rushing yards in his career as comparison. He scrambles when he has to.

Here we go.

 

[BooksOrangePlanet]

He is 1-4 as a starter

Murray was 2-3

There’s no improvement in the position

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[Dback Jon]

Kurt Warner was a statue. He went to three Super Bowls with a career rushing total of only 286 yards in his career.

Jacoby has 1,000 rushing yards in his career as comparison. He scrambles when he has to.

You’re seriously comparing Kurt Warner to Jacoby Brisette?

Warner also had a incredibly quick release time well Jacoby is on the lower end of release times
But Jacobystans like you won’t acknowledge that

 

[Brian in Mesa]

You’re seriously comparing Kurt Warner to Jacoby Brisette?

Warner also had a incredibly quick release time well Jacoby is on the lower end of release times
But Jacobystans like you won’t acknowledge that

Comparing him to another Cards' QB not known for running much. Carson Palmer has only 474 career rushing yards if you like that better.