Film Study: What Carson Beck brings to the Arizona Cardinals

[kerouac9]

Teams do in fact usually deploy more defensive tackles and cornerbacks during a game than quarterbacks.


Tune was a fifth round-pick who never did anything as a college-starter.

Yes but the capital being invested in the position is still very high. Despite Monti’s investments, many are projecting Roy Lopez and Sean Murphy-Bunting to be starters.

Tune had a very fine college career. 4000 yards and 40 passing TDs his final season. Houston didn’t go anywhere, but Beck never passed for 4000 yards despite being surrounded by superior talent.

 

[JCSunsfan]

With Brissett we are projected to win what, 4 games?
I’ve come to the conclusion let Beck start. If he succeeds ( miracles happen) then the 27 draft looks a lot different. If he fails, well, who cares? We are only going to win 3-4 games this year anyway.
Let’s see what he’s got.

AND you don't have to pay a career backup QB a starter salary.

 

[urs]

AND you don't have to pay a career backup QB a starter salary.

I'm not a JB fan, but why if he is the starter, should he not get a starter salary? It's also not OUR money, I won't shed tears over Bidwill, M. having to spend more.

It's not like saving money on JB will have us spend it elsewhere, that's not how the Cardinals have ever rolled.

 

[kerouac9]

AND you don't have to pay a career backup QB a starter salary.

It’s not your money. The cards don’t have anyone to spend it on anyway. This is the least convincing argument about giving him a raise.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

With Brissett we are projected to win what, 4 games?
I’ve come to the conclusion let Beck start. If he succeeds ( miracles happen) then the 27 draft looks a lot different. If he fails, well, who cares? We are only going to win 3-4 games this year anyway.
Let’s see what he’s got.

You can't go into the year with that kind of thinking. How many wins were the Patriots and Seahawks predicted to win last year with Maye and Darnold? You start your best players at the beginning of the year. If the team is failing, then you look to the younger guys. The Cards offense with Brissett put up good enough numbers to win games with a competent defense.
Adding Love, LaFleur, some OL prospects and healthy Marv, who's to say the offense can't put up enough points next year? They did last year with none of that.

Arguing over probably 3-5 million on a likely 1-year deal to make your starting QB the lowest paid starting QB in the league, and actually pay him more than his backup, is preposterous.

 

[BooksOrangePlanet]

some fans have prematurely written carson beck off - publicly declaring him this or that when he actually hasn't done jack - truth is the fans don't know jack - the coaches don't know jack

truth is nobody knows how beck or any other rookie qb is going to react - beware of those who claim they do - if they knew they'd be making an nfl salary right now

 

[some dumb guy]

some fans have prematurely written carson beck off - publicly declaring him this or that when he actually hasn't done jack - truth is the fans don't know jack - the coaches don't know jack

truth is nobody knows how beck or any other rookie qb is going to react - beware of those who claim they do - if they knew they'd be making an nfl salary right now

Who is this "jack" you speak of?

Well, if you're speaking of the cardinal's coaches, I would hope they know jack...

 

[kerouac9]

if they knew they'd be making an nfl salary right now

Even if I knew with perfect clarity and 100% accuracy, what would be my path to making an NFL salary, my dude?

 

[Gandhi]

Tune had a very fine college career. 4000 yards and 40 passing TDs his final season. Houston didn’t go anywhere, but Beck never passed for 4000 yards despite being surrounded by superior talent.

Other than Texas Tech and UTSA (ranked #25 and #24), Houston only met bad teams on their way to 8-5. Meanwhile, in Beck’s last season he played against multiple ranked teams, including wins over #7, #6 and #2, and took his team to the National Championship Game.

I have no idea how you can compare Beck and Tune, and it would be crazy to not evaluate Beck before replacing him.

 

[BooksOrangePlanet]

Even if I knew with perfect clarity and 100% accuracy, what would be my path to making an NFL salary, my dude?

wow man - props to you - that's the biggest EVEN IF i've ever seen - quick - somebody get a tape measurer - someone call guinness - call the airport too - let them know we've identified the giant object on their screen - lol at even if - my dude

 

[kerouac9]

Other than Texas Tech and UTSA (ranked #25 and #24), Houston only met bad teams on their way to 8-5. Meanwhile, in Beck’s last season he played against multiple ranked teams, including wins over #7, #6 and #2, and took his team to the National Championship Game.

I have no idea how you can compare Beck and Tune, and it would be crazy to not evaluate Beck before replacing him.

If the question is QB winz we should acquire Stetson Bennett ASAP.

I guess being carried by superstar talent counts big for you. Good to know.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

Tune had a very fine college career. 4000 yards and 40 passing TDs his final season. Houston didn’t go anywhere, but Beck never passed for 4000 yards despite being surrounded by superior talent.

Wow, so you're telling me a guy who was the QB for the Houston Cougars, and put up some great numbers in college, never really amounted to anything in the NFL.

How David Klingler and Andre Ware of him. #systemqbs #patternidentified

 

[Phrazbit]

It’s not fair to the rest of the team to play an unplayable quarterback.

Give him a look towards the end of the year when we’re 10 games under .500.

 

[kerouac9]

Wow, so you're telling me a guy who was the QB for the Houston Cougars, and put up some great numbers in college, never really amounted to anything in the NFL.

How David Klingler and Andre Ware of him. #systemqbs #patternidentified

Should we go
Back to the Tune Time threads and see if you felt this same way at the time?

Tune was a 5th round prospect in a pretty good draft.

Beck was a third round draft pick in an execrable draft.

The value of these aren’t as different as you want to believe.

 

[BooksOrangePlanet]

Should we go
Back to the Tune Time threads and see if you felt this same way at the time?

Tune was a 5th round prospect in a pretty good draft.

Beck was a third round draft pick in an execrable draft.

The value of these aren’t as different as you want to believe.

you're hilarious with these context-less takes

carson beck was the 3rd qb off the board

clayton tune was the 9th qb off the board

but sure - same thing right? smh

 

[Phrazbit]

Should we go
Back to the Tune Time threads and see if you felt this same way at the time?

Tune was a 5th round prospect in a pretty good draft.

Beck was a third round draft pick in an execrable draft.

The value of these aren’t as different as you want to believe.

I had more hope for Tune when we drafted him than I do for Beck.

 

[BooksOrangePlanet]

I had more hope for Tune when we drafted him than I do for Beck.

5/5

 

[Phrazbit]

5/5

No joke.

I watched a LOT of Beck in college and I think he has absolutely no shot of being an NFL starter.

Zero.

I didn't expect much out of Tune but it wasn't a zero.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

No joke.

I watched a LOT of Beck in college and I think he has absolutely no shot of being an NFL starter.

Zero.

I didn't expect much out of Tune but it wasn't a zero.

Agree. Miami and Georgia weren't winning games because of Beck.

He was good enough, in most cases, not to lose the game for them.

 

[kerouac9]

you're hilarious with these context-less takes

carson beck was the 3rd qb off the board

clayton tune was the 9th qb off the board

but sure - same thing right? smh

Why does this matter? Trey Benson was the second RB off the board. PJJ was the first OT off the board.

Bo Nix was the sixth QB off the board.