Suns Off Season Changes for 2025-26

[Hoop Head]

$20 million would be bad too. He is not an improving player. Please, Suns, do not bring this guy in. We already have one experiment like this in Green.

We're on the hook for Grayson for $16-17 million over the next years. I'd rather pay the difference for Kuminga because he's likely more in line with what we need.

I wouldn't be excited but I'd prefer Kuminga.

 

[taz02]

We're on the hook for Grayson for $16-17 million over the next years. I'd rather pay the difference for Kuminga because he's likely more in line with what we need.

I wouldn't be excited but I'd prefer Kuminga.

 

[angel_ofthe_south]

Please review why the Suns didn't keep Jordan Goodwin the first time. I don't think I ever understood that--I remember that Goodwin sounded to me like a player they should like. I want to say he sounds to me like Josh Okogie with more actual defensive skill, but not as terrible on offense. (I gathered that Okogie was more of sheer effort and energy.) Goodwin seems more simply content to let others score.

Did the Suns give Goodwin the D'Antoni treatment, snubbing him because his offense wasn't good enough; or did the other team simply want him included in the trade? I forgot which trade he left in.

 

[Goldfield]

if we can get kuminga without giving up any of our youth (minus oso) we might just compete with our record last year - while still developing- dead serious

I agree, I think we will be surprised. We’re already a better defensive and rebounding team. Might be a better shooting team.

 

[Goldfield]

I am disappointed that we are even in the conversation.

What is Kuminga GOOD at? In what tangible way is he an impactful player?

He doesn't shoot well, he's particularly poor from the outside and at the line, he is a really poor passer, he is a mediocre rebounder, he isn't much of a defender and over 4 years he has shown zero meaningful growth as a player.

And the Kings being the competition for his services... another franchise that has made one idiotic move after another the last several years.

Then that explains why we are only offering (I hope) Allen and fillers. I don’t want any rooks involved. I could see GS wanting Brea. I could live with that but he showed some promise.

 

[Goldfield]

Did you just watch the same guy as I did in summer league? He completely lacks a feel for playing in a structured game. It seems I vastly underestimated how important the total lack of competition he has faced actually is.

Got to say I am much less optimistic about him, and if that was what it took to get the Kuminga deal done, I would probably do it.

I didn’t see any structure in summer league. But yes everyone was hard to evaluate in that unwatchable stuff.

 

[Superbone]

Then that explains why we are only offering (I hope) Allen and fillers. I don’t want any rooks involved. I could see GS wanting Brea. I could live with that but he showed some promise.

I don't want another Camara situation. Just think how great our last three drafts would have been had we kept him.

 

[Mainstreet]

I don't want another Camara situation. Just think how great our last three drafts would have been had we kept him.

Yeah, especially after listening Kentucky coach Mark Pope.

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[Goldfield]

We're on the hook for Grayson for $16-17 million over the next years. I'd rather pay the difference for Kuminga because he's likely more in line with what we need.

I wouldn't be excited but I'd prefer Kuminga.

This is how I see it. We’re just moving money to make a better team fit. I’m all for it IF we don’t send Dunn or Fleming. Send Allen and filler, Richards and Oso or Royce.

 

[Mainstreet]

We're on the hook for Grayson for $16-17 million over the next years. I'd rather pay the difference for Kuminga because he's likely more in line with what we need.

I wouldn't be excited but I'd prefer Kuminga.

This is probably how the Suns look at it as well.

It seems former Suns GM, James Jones, did the Suns no favor extending Allen and O'Neale, especially without draft picks, maybe one second rounder, to attach to them in trade. Of course, Brian Gregory has gone a different direction with the draft picks and players which must be factored into the equation.

 

[Carolinacacti]

I would rather have cap relief and some seconders from Sac. Need a three way deal do not want kuminga

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I am hopeful that Fleming and brea are nba players but I chuckle at how much some of y’all only want to trade them for an established superstar.

 

[Phrazbit]

I am hopeful that Fleming and brea are nba players but I chuckle at how much some of y’all only want to trade them for an established superstar.

I just don’t want Kuminga at the kind of salary he wants. And I especially don’t want to give up assets for the right to give him a bad contract.

 

[BooksOrangePlanet]

i don't wanna trade any lottery tickets just yet - greyson oneale brooks etc sure but not fleming who we moved up to get - not nhd because we don't know who he is yet and damn sure not brea or maluach

this isn't to say that they are untradeable - but it's not like we need some final piece to finish some imaginary puzzle - lol we're still in the research and development stage

but i don't think golden state gonna be too into oneale - maybe greyson and/or brooks

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I just don’t want Kuminga at the kind of salary he wants. And I especially don’t want to give up assets for the right to give him a bad contract.

In the aggregate of all of your posts over time you’ve painted a picture of only an extremely narrow collection of players you’d consider adding to the club. For a team without draft picks but with a deep pockets owner they don’t have a choice if they want to compete but to take some risks. I get the impression you have no appetite for risk and thus virtually any move they make is going to be a bad one in your opinion.

You just don’t get fully baked, non-issue players for limited assets. That’s the reality of where we are.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Please review why the Suns didn't keep Jordan Goodwin the first time. I don't think I ever understood that--I remember that Goodwin sounded to me like a player they should like. I want to say he sounds to me like Josh Okogie with more actual defensive skill, but not as terrible on offense. (I gathered that Okogie was more of sheer effort and energy.) Goodwin seems more simply content to let others score.

Did the Suns give Goodwin the D'Antoni treatment, snubbing him because his offense wasn't good enough; or did the other team simply want him included in the trade? I forgot which trade he left in.

He was sent out in a package for Royce. We needed depth at forward.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

i don't wanna trade any lottery tickets just yet - greyson oneale brooks etc sure but not fleming who we moved up to get - not nhd because we don't know who he is yet and damn sure not brea or maluach

this isn't to say that they are untradeable - but it's not like we need some final piece to finish some imaginary puzzle - lol we're still in the research and development stage

but i don't think golden state gonna be too into oneale - maybe greyson and/or brooks

Fleming and Brea were passed over by the entire nba, twice by some teams. They aren’t even lottery tickets, they’re the longest of long shots to develop. That doesn’t mean they can’t, it happens all the time. But to me, to say you don’t want to trade them for a young player who has established nba ability and still potential upside is kinda just homerism. I’m sure it’s no different than with most teams fans that over value their own.

 

[JCSunsfan]

I am hopeful that Fleming and brea are nba players but I chuckle at how much some of y’all only want to trade them for an established superstar.

Established superstar? I am assuming overstatement. It isn't so much about the valuing of the rooks. Its about the skepticism of Kuminga, especially with the salary price tag. Keep the unscratched lottery ticket (yes the are, long long shot, but still unknown) rather than pay $100 for a scratched $75 winner.

I am very skeptical of Green too for the same reasons. I'm not sure I want two of those guys on the team. Its like we are Portland trading for DA (with Kuminga).

Its like dating that gorgeous girl that the other guy dumped. There is a reason.

 

[BooksOrangePlanet]

Fleming and Brea were passed over by the entire nba, twice by some teams. They aren’t even lottery tickets, they’re the longest of long shots to develop. That doesn’t mean they can’t, it happens all the time. But to me, to say you don’t want to trade them for a young player who has established nba ability and still potential upside is kinda just homerism. I’m sure it’s no different than with most teams fans that over value their own.

homerism? whatever - we already have green and willams far as young established talent to gamble on but i guess i'm just homering it up over here cuz i want to see what we have in the 3 guys we just drafted - doh!

 

[Hoop Head]

In the aggregate of all of your posts over time you’ve painted a picture of only an extremely narrow collection of players you’d consider adding to the club. For a team without draft picks but with a deep pockets owner they don’t have a choice if they want to compete but to take some risks. I get the impression you have no appetite for risk and thus virtually any move they make is going to be a bad one in your opinion.

You just don’t get fully baked, non-issue players for limited assets. That’s the reality of where we are.

He says who doesn't like when their name comes up. That doesn't equal an aversion to risk. You can disagree with his views on individual players without trying to paint with a broad brush. Why even appeal to other stances before you make a case as to why he, or anyone, should be in favor of trading for Kuminga? You haven't even given your own view, really. You've only attacked or laughed at others.

 

[Mainstreet]

The best reason I have heard for trading for Kuminga was made by @Hoop Head.

Kuminga would help the Suns more at a position of need than Allen and O'Neale.

 

[Hoop Head]

The best reason I have heard for trading for Kuminga was made by @Hoop Head.

Kuminga would help the Suns more at a position of need than Allen and O'Neale.

I'm not even in favor of him but it would be hard to turn down a deal that turns Grayson into Kuminga.

My main concern after that would be him living up to his contract or being able to move him before other teams view his contract as toxic.

 

[Mainstreet]

I'm not even in favor of him but it would be hard to turn down a deal that turns Grayson into Kuminga.

My main concern after that would be him living up to his contract or being able to move him before other teams view his contract as toxic.

I understand, but turning Allen and O'Neale into Kuminga would hopefully be more of a lateral move. And it would fill a need.

Needless to say, there is always an element of risk, but not the kind of risk the Suns took when they traded for Durant and Beal.

The only reason we are talking about it, the Suns had interest in him at the trade deadline and again this summer.

 

[Phrazbit]

In the aggregate of all of your posts over time you’ve painted a picture of only an extremely narrow collection of players you’d consider adding to the club. For a team without draft picks but with a deep pockets owner they don’t have a choice if they want to compete but to take some risks. I get the impression you have no appetite for risk and thus virtually any move they make is going to be a bad one in your opinion.

You just don’t get fully baked, non-issue players for limited assets. That’s the reality of where we are.

I don't disagree that I have a narrow view of players I would want to pursue, especially in light of what is available, and in our current situation we need to be very weary of any long term commitments, especially ones that will cost what few assets we possess.

If you look among the flashier names I've crapped on in recent years... Kuzma, Poole, Jerami Grant, Zach LaVine, now Kuminga... they're all cut from similar cloth, dudes who put up numbers, their teams play better without them and got paid or acquired by their current clubs out of desperation.

Committing money to players cut from Kuminga's cloth is how a team becomes the Kings, or the Wizards or the Hornets or the Blazers, or the Bulls, teams perpetually settling to overpay for marginal talent, because that is what is available and locking themselves into a longer cycle of being trash.

We are better off sitting on our thumbs than paying 20-30 million a year for a stagnant player who has no "pluses" in his skill set, and that ignores that we would have to give up more assets just for the right to offer him a trash contract.

 

[Phrazbit]

I'm not even in favor of him but it would be hard to turn down a deal that turns Grayson into Kuminga.

My main concern after that would be him living up to his contract or being able to move him before other teams view his contract as toxic.

I'd do Grayson for Kuminga... especially because that implies Kuminga is coming in at a lower price point. If the price is 30 million that is a hard pass, no matter what we're sending back.