Suns Off Season Changes for 2025-26

[BooksOrangePlanet]

again - from what beal's is saying - beal loves it here and has millions and millions and millions and millions of reasons to stay

this could be all to get the best buy out possible or beal may genuinely want to stay

 

[Yuma]

I believe I have a link to one of those videos or articles on another computer.

If you find one, please provide it. I've been looking, but I couldn't find the right one.

I have seen Gerald Bourget do it, and I think someone posted that in this thread. Mark Stein has walked through it. I am just not good at internet searches. Essentially we still have some dead money on our books that is what is stopping us from doing it now for Beal. We waived and stretched some minor guys that eat up enough percentage it puts us just barely over the 15%. That's why the MLE works even though it's just a few million per season, because it squeezes us back under the 15%.

The problem with that is currently you multiply the length of the contract by 2 and add 1. So Beal has 2 years left, and we would stretch that out over 5, FIVE, years!!! It think the number currently would equate to around $17 MILLION. So you have that coming off your cap for 5 years!!! Essentially paying a ghost player. That's why I am more willing to have him play at least one more season than the average fan. We made a huge mistake, now just deal with it.

There's a scenario where we could get rid of enough other players to get under the second apron before dealing KD. That would allow us many more options in a KD trade. Possibly raising our return in a KD trade. We would have to trade and cut guys we possibly might want like Cody Martin and Nick Richards. Both have non guaranteed contracts for this upcoming season. Micic too, but no one will miss him. There's a reason the Suns asked for those three guys in trades.

So we could do a KD trade, play Beal one more season, then Beal would be an expiring contract, or we could cut him at the midway point the following season for a much smaller hit and then have that $50+ million off our books for good.

Tim Legler was saying recently it's not that far from the Suns POSSIBLY being a good team again. He told the guys on PHX, of course we have to make the right moves, but he sees the Suns being good again much faster than the casual fans would think.

 

[Mainstreet]

I have seen Gerald Bourget do it, and I think someone posted that in this thread. Mark Stein has walked through it. I am just not good at internet searches. Essentially we still have some dead money on our books that is what is stopping us from doing it now for Beal. We waived and stretched some minor guys that eat up enough percentage it puts us just barely over the 15%. That's why the MLE works even though it's just a few million per season, because it squeezes us back under the 15%.

The problem with that is currently you multiply the length of the contract by 2 and add 1. So Beal has 2 years left, and we would stretch that out over 5, FIVE, years!!! It think the number currently would equate to around $17 MILLION. So you have that coming off your cap for 5 years!!! Essentially paying a ghost player. That's why I am more willing to have him play at least one more season than the average fan. We made a huge mistake, now just deal with it.

There's a scenario where we could get rid of enough other players to get under the second apron before dealing KD. That would allow us many more options in a KD trade. Possibly raising our return in a KD trade. We would have to trade and cut guys we possibly might want like Cody Martin and Nick Richards. Both have non guaranteed contracts for this upcoming season. Micic too, but no one will miss him. There's a reason the Suns asked for those three guys in trades.

So we could do a KD trade, play Beal one more season, then Beal would be an expiring contract, or we could cut him at the midway point the following season for a much smaller hit and then have that $50+ million off our books for good.

Tim Legler was saying recently it's not that far from the Suns POSSIBLY being a good team again. He told the guys on PHX, of course we have to make the right moves, but he sees the Suns being good again much faster than the casual fans would think.

Agree, if the Suns can get under the second tax apron first via other trades, it gives them a lot more options.

 

[BooksOrangePlanet]

i donwanna go deeper in debt to get rid of beal - if he has two years here that's what's up - we aren't doing anything in the next couple years anyway - how about we start building a team - get ready for when his contract is up - we need to clean our mistakes not prolong them

 

[Yuma]

Agree, if the Suns can get under the second tax apron first via other trades, it gives the Suns a lot more options.

I like Cody Martin as a player. Heck, he was at UNR when I was up there in Northern Nevada. I have a fond spot in my heart for him and his brother. He's the kind of guy you need on a Championship level team to play defense and do the little things and hit the occasional three pointer. I would argue he's not needed here yet since we will not be on that level next season. Richards, at best people are saying he projects as a back up. I know a lot of fans want to keep both those guys, but getting under the second apron before a KD trade, I would argue serves us better at the moment. Micic didn't even take a shot when he played. Micic was just looking at us waiving him so he can sign for much more money in Europe.

I really think the Suns will make some moves soon to address the cap situation. They are too busy looking for a coach. Evidently our front office can only do one thing at a time. LOL!

So if we get under the second apron, we could do a multi team trade and could aggregate multiple players in a trade going out. That would get us players and picks back. If we keep the two picks in the draft coming up, there's two more players. We would still have Beal, too if we were patient and didn't use assets to farm him out. Depending on who we get in return on a KD trade, this team could be entertaining.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

again - from what beal's is saying - beal loves it here and has millions and millions and millions and millions of reasons to stay

this could be all to get the best buy out possible or beal may genuinely want to stay

Yeah I think it’s a pipedream to get Beal and contract gone. But I understand there’s not much to talk about right now.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I like Cody Martin as a player. Heck, he was at UNR when I was up there in Northern Nevada. I have a fond spot in my heart for him and his brother. He's the kind of guy you need on a Championship level team to play defense and do the little things and hit the occasional three pointer. I would argue he's not needed here yet since we will not be on that level next season. Richards, at best people are saying he projects as a back up. I know a lot of fans want to keep both those guys, but getting under the second apron before a KD trade, I would argue serves us better at the moment. Micic didn't even take a shot when he played. Micic was just looking at us waiving him so he can sign for much more money in Europe.

I really think the Suns will make some moves soon to address the cap situation. They are too busy looking for a coach. Evidently our front office can only do one thing at a time. LOL!

So if we get under the second apron, we could do a multi team trade and could aggregate multiple players in a trade going out. That would get us players and picks back. If we keep the two picks in the draft coming up, there's two more players. We would still have Beal, too if we were patient and didn't use assets to farm him out. Depending on who we get in return on a KD trade, this team could be entertaining.

Agree. This seems like the BEST strategy. So it’s something we’ll screw up for sure. I have little faith in the strategies this leadership concocts.

 

[Mainstreet]

I like Cody Martin as a player. Heck, he was at UNR when I was up there in Northern Nevada. I have a fond spot in my heart for him and his brother. He's the kind of guy you need on a Championship level team to play defense and do the little things and hit the occasional three pointer. I would argue he's not needed here yet since we will not be on that level next season. Richards, at best people are saying he projects as a back up. I know a lot of fans want to keep both those guys, but getting under the second apron before a KD trade, I would argue serves us better at the moment. Micic didn't even take a shot when he played. Micic was just looking at us waiving him so he can sign for much more money in Europe.

I really think the Suns will make some moves soon to address the cap situation. They are too busy looking for a coach. Evidently our front office can only do one thing at a time. LOL!

So if we get under the second apron, we could do a multi team trade and could aggregate multiple players in a trade going out. That would get us players and picks back. If we keep the two picks in the draft coming up, there's two more players. We would still have Beal, too if we were patient and didn't use assets to farm him out. Depending on who we get in return on a KD trade, this team could be entertaining.

When the time comes, I think the Suns will be looking to trade such players as Grayson Allen and Royce O'Neale to help get below the second tax apron.

The Suns are not obligated financially to keep Cody Martin and Vasilije Micic.

Hopefully, the Suns will keep Nick Richards who is on the final year of only a $5 million contract.

 

[Adrian]

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/25200856-kevin-durant-reportedly-might-not-hit-trade-market-until-giannis-makes-bucks-decision

 

[Adrian]

Cavs’ Johnnie Bryant, Jordan Ott Have In-Person Interviews With Suns For Coaching Vacancy

A pair of Cleveland Cavaliers assistants are duking it out to become the next head coach of the Phoenix Suns. That’s not really how it’s going, but per Marc Stein of The Stein Line, Cleveland’s Johnnie Bryant and Jordan Ott were among those to visit Phoenix for in-person interviews earlier in...

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[Adrian]

Report: Devin Booker Involved in Suns HC Search

The Phoenix Suns are using Devin Booker to find their next coach.

www.si.com

 

[Adrian]

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/25200860-devin-booker-reportedly-has-level-involvement-suns-hc-search-amid-nba-rumors

 

[boisesuns]

Report: Devin Booker Involved in Suns HC Search

The Phoenix Suns are using Devin Booker to find their next coach.

www.si.com

so we’re going to overpay for him soon as well?

 

[AzStevenCal]

so we’re going to overpay for him soon as well?

Book it.

 

[Superbone]

so we’re going to overpay for him soon as well?

This is not news. Ishbia said as much.

 

[Adrian]

NBA Insiders Indicate Giannis Antetokounmpo And Kevin Durant Could Be Traded Soon

With the NBA Finals kicking off on Thursday, offseason chatter has already begun. Outside of the teams that remain in the playoffs, the rest of the league will

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[Mainstreet]

The Finals doesn't start until June 5th.

This may give the Suns a chance to interview Thunder assistant, Dave Bliss, for the head coaching position.

 

[Yuma]

When the time comes, I think the Suns will be looking to trade such players as Grayson Allen and Royce O'Neale to help get below the second tax apron.

The Suns are not obligated financially to keep Cody Martin and Vasilije Micic.

Hopefully, the Suns will keep Nick Richards who is on the final year of only a $5 million contract.

From what I have seen of Richards, if it was between us getting below the second apron and keeping him, I would let him go. We need to max out that KD trade.

 

[Yuma]

so we’re going to overpay for him soon as well?

They were discussing on a sports show how the overall salary cap is going to go up in future seasons. You can argue if Booker is worth it, but as high as his salary is, the projected cap would let teams have one guy paid like that. Also, Booker won't even be the highest paid. Booker isn't winning MVPs, All NBA honors, etc. Those really raise the salaries. Shsi is now in line for a HUGE extension potentially.

 

[Mainstreet]

From what I have seen of Richards, if it was between us getting below the second apron and keeping him, I would let him go. We need to max out that KD trade.

I don't think it needs to come down to that, though. Richards is not paid that much more than a vet minimum salary.

At this point, the Suns really don't have a center. Oso is more of a power forward.

Perhaps you want to bring Plumlee back?

 

[Yuma]

I don't think it needs to come down to that, though. Richards is not paid that much more than a vet minimum salary.

At this point, the Suns really don't have a center. Oso is more of a power forward.

Perhaps you want to bring Plumlee back?

It's just the point his salary is non guaranteed. It's funny how his salary, plus Martin's and Micic's are all non-guaranteed and they just happen to squeeze us below the second apron if cut. It's almost like they planned it. We know they aren't that smart, right? Planning for the future? When has this front office done that lately?

I like Richards more than Plumlee. It's not that. It's that Richards is not THAT good that we absolutely must keep him. Right now an undersized Oso and Richards are showing about the same upside. Arguably Oso a bit more. Tell me you would trade either guy or both for a legit center if we got lucky to have one come our way?

 

[Mainstreet]

It's just the point his salary is non guaranteed. It's funny how his salary, plus Martin's and Micic's are all non-guaranteed and they just happen to squeeze us below the second apron if cut. It's almost like they planned it. We know they aren't that smart, right? Planning for the future? When has this front office done that lately?

I like Richards more than Plumlee. It's not that. It's that Richards is not THAT good that we absolutely must keep him. Right now an undersized Oso and Richards are showing about the same upside. Arguably Oso a bit more. Tell me you would trade either guy or both for a legit center if we got lucky to have one come our way?

As I understand it, Richard's contract is guaranteed for $5 million.

You are correct, the Suns are not obligated to pay Martin and Micic.

I thought the mention of keeping Plumlee would get you fired up.

Now you are ready to trade two low salaried and likely low value players, Richards and Oso, for a better center? Show me that trade.

 

[Yuma]

Now you are ready to trade two low salaried and likely low value players, Richards and Oso, for a better center? Show me that trade.

Per HoopsHype (and I have seen this mentioned on ESPN, PHNX, Bright Side of the Sun, AZ Republic, etc): "

• No money guaranteed in 2025/26, HoopsHype has learned. Guarantee increases to full if not waived by June 29, 2025."

From me: "Tell me you would trade either guy or both for a legit center if we got lucky to have one come our way?" You are ignoring the "if we got lucky" part of my whole point? LOL!

 

[Mainstreet]

Per HoopsHype (and I have seen this mentioned on ESPN, PHNX, Bright Side of the Sun, AZ Republic, etc): "

• No money guaranteed in 2025/26, HoopsHype has learned. Guarantee increases to full if not waived by June 29, 2025."

From me: "Tell me you would trade either guy or both for a legit center if we got lucky to have one come our way?" You are ignoring the "if we got lucky" part of my whole point? LOL!

I'm not sure why you are locked onto Richards. Being lucky can apply to almost anything.

Maybe the Suns can draft the next Jokic at #52.

 

[Yuma]

I'm not sure why you are locked onto Richards. Being lucky can apply to almost anything.

Maybe the Suns can draft the next Jokic at #52.

Not locked on. You seem locked on him.

It's just his salary is non-guaranteed, which means the suns can waive him with no consequence or dead money to their cap. His salary is needed with the other two to make it worthwhile. It's as easy as that. Getting under the second apron for a KD trade.