Effing Fire Whisenhunt!!!

[Rats]

My biggest problems with Whiz are current ones.

Yeah, mine is that he coaches my favorite team and he sucks at it.

 

[Cards_Campos]

Just think of this... WHiz will be our coach when both Boldin and Fitz LEAVE....that isn't a good resume builder IMO.... Boldin was the heart and Fitz was the face of our franchise. And in 2 years both will be gone....

 

[Buckybird]

Just think of this... WHiz will be our coach when both Boldin and Fitz LEAVE....that isn't a good resume builder IMO.... Boldin was the heart and Fitz was the face of our franchise. And in 2 years both will be gone....

and Breaston

 

[Duckjake]

seriously... I'm headed to Vegas next weekend and there's no way I'd put 500 bucks down against us. 2003? I did that two weekends in a row... FACING 15 POINT SPREADS.

We just got beat 36-18 at home by a bad Seattle team, a team that got outscored 74-10 the last two weeks and you can type that with a straight face?

 

[TJ]

His accomplishments are as stated. He gets credit for things that he should not. He did not back Boldin 100% or he would be here.Dansby maybe not. We are 35 mil under the cap and there was money for Boldin if Whis had faught for him and said we need him here. I think there was a faction Boldin, Matty, Edge, Dansby that were Denny guys and never got with the Whis program. Then you had guys like Warner who really liked Haley and wanted to play, and Fitz who respects the game and even though he liked Denny he wanted to play winning football( big reason I think he will leave after next year,we won't be winning anything anytime soon). With this Whis had to fit it together and managed a 9-7 season and a run to the SB. Without Haley and Pendy this never happens. Whis just did not have the know how(still doesn't)to get that done. He will not be able to rebuild anything here unless he gives up on the notion that he is an offensive coach. He sucks at it and needs a coordinator bad. He should help rebuild a defense with a decent DC. I am afraid the days of this team being dynamic left with Warner, Boldin, and Haley. Talent evaluation left with Dennis Green and we will just wait till Whis leaves. He will.... unceramoniously.

Couple of quick hitters for ya

~ There is no salary cap this season and the Cardinals still have spent a lot of money in player salaries. Joeshmoe has the details, but all in all, we couldn't afford Boldin and Fitz nor were we going to spend money on a position in which we had depth (even without Q). Simple.

~ Denny Green brought talent here, but couldn't coach them up. Whis could.

~ You go out of your way to praise Haley but fail to acknowledge that w/o Whis there is no Haley. And you are also praising Pendergast while lauding Whis?

~ This is the first losing season Whis is going to endure. The problems are visible and adjustments will be made accordingly in the offseason

~ Questioning what Whisenhunt does is fine, but before you can make an assertion that he needs his walking papers, you have to look at the results he's produced the last three seasons.

But all in all, he's not going anywhere for at least two years.

 

[Shane]

We just got beat 36-18 at home by a bad Seattle team, a team that got outscored 74-10 the last two weeks and you can type that with a straight face?

Why wouldn't he? This team was just on the road in a tough environment last week and were 9 point underdogs. What did they do? They went out and beat the snot out of that team for 3.5 QTRs and the choked at the end but still covering the 9 points. Sounds completely reasonable to me.

 

[Cheesebeef]

His accomplishments are as stated. He gets credit for things that he should not. He did not back Boldin 100% or he would be here.Dansby maybe not. We are 35 mil under the cap and there was money for Boldin if Whis had faught for him and said we need him here. I think there was a faction Boldin, Matty, Edge, Dansby that were Denny guys and never got with the Whis program. Then you had guys like Warner who really liked Haley and wanted to play, and Fitz who respects the game and even though he liked Denny he wanted to play winning football( big reason I think he will leave after next year,we won't be winning anything anytime soon). With this Whis had to fit it together and managed a 9-7 season and a run to the SB. Without Haley and Pendy this never happens. Whis just did not have the know how(still doesn't)to get that done.

you're right... Wiz has no clue... as a HC of a team that went to the Super Bowl and OC of a different team that WON the Super Bowl he is without a doubt, beyond clueless in every sense of the word! Seriously, how does that guy even have a JOB in the NFL?

The above and every argument you make is as stupid as you are Rats. Sorry to be so blunt, but I don't know what else to say to someone who literally gives our HC no credit for ANYTHING that's happened good to this team which has been a joke forever (and credits Haley, who's team is headed for complete and utter meltdown after a 2-14 first season and Warner, who was pond-scum before Wiz got here).

 

[Shane]

you're right... Wiz has no clue... as a HC of a team that went to the Super Bowl and OC of a different team that WON the Super Bow? Seriously, how does that guy even have a JOB in the NFL?

The above and every argument you make is as stupid as you are Rats. Sorry to be so blunt, but I don't know what else to say to someone who literally gives our HC no credit for ANYTHING that's happened good to this team which has been a joke forever (and credits Haley, who's team is headed for complete and utter meltdown after a 2-14 first season and Warner, who was pond-scum before Wiz got here).

:iwin:

 

[Cheesebeef]

We just got beat 36-18 at home by a bad Seattle team, a team that got outscored 74-10 the last two weeks and you can type that with a straight face?

Duck, you know I love you, but you just seem clueless this year comparing 2003 to this team. That year, we were lost EVERY game on the road with a stretch of games losing to 3-13 teams 44-6... 28-3... 50-14... this year, we've won a road game, struggled against Seattle but still played within 12 points and lost in OT. There ain't no comparison between the two. At least not yet enough for me to lay 5 hundo on a 15 point spread without a care in the world.

The Mackage was a sure bet to lose EVERY road game by 20 points... this one, somehow, someway, has found a way to win or be competitive in some of them. That's a HUGE difference.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Ahhh...I totally didn't expect this thread after the game.

This feels like the good old Cards, doesn't it? Halfway through the season and time to start discussing draft position. Sounds about right.

 

[bg7brd]

you're right... Wiz has no clue... as a HC of a team that went to the Super Bowl and OC of a different team that WON the Super Bowl he is without a doubt, beyond clueless in every sense of the word! Seriously, how does that guy even have a JOB in the NFL?

The above and every argument you make is as stupid as you are Rats. Sorry to be so blunt, but I don't know what else to say to someone who literally gives our HC no credit for ANYTHING that's happened good to this team which has been a joke forever (and credits Haley, who's team is headed for complete and utter meltdown after a 2-14 first season and Warner, who was pond-scum before Wiz got here).

Thank you Cheese. You said everything I wanted to say. Excellent post!

 

[Rats]

you're right... Wiz has no clue... as a HC of a team that went to the Super Bowl and OC of a different team that WON the Super Bowl he is without a doubt, beyond clueless in every sense of the word! Seriously, how does that guy even have a JOB in the NFL?

The above and every argument you make is as stupid as you are Rats. Sorry to be so blunt, but I don't know what else to say to someone who literally gives our HC no credit for ANYTHING that's happened good to this team which has been a joke forever (and credits Haley, who's team is headed for complete and utter meltdown after a 2-14 first season and Warner, who was pond-scum before Wiz got here).

Its easy he inherited talent that you say he coached up. You refuse to recognize and always have that DG brought the talent to this team not Whis. DG givin time would have turned this team into a legit team not this fraud we are witnessing. We went 9-7 and had a fluke road to the Super Bowl and every pundit let everyone know we were a fraud outside of our Wr's and Kurt who you and others blasted on a regular basis around here. As though yours or Shanes football acumen is more substantial than anyone elses and we should have listened to every whine you had about the subject. I finally tuned you guys out and still do. You should just do the same rather than resort to name calling. That is all Shane ever adds to anything around here is name calling. Whis' playcalling and game management is terrible. I credit the ones that actually made things happen rather than this pathetic excuse for a HeadCoach. You say he made Warner then he should be able to do it with DA. He was handpicked by Whis and was a probowler...hows that working out? You know don't even respond because I am done with this and all the whines from guys like you.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

CBUS...Did you see that stat!!! The pittsburgh/New England game... NE had 211 yards at halftime...that is 2nd most EVER against Tomlin in 4 years!!!!!!!!!!!! We gave up 243 yards in the 1st qtr today alone..... Tomlin's teams play disciplined controlled football.... When is the last time you saw Pittsburgh get blown away??

Apples and oranges. You're comparing Dick LeBeau to Bill Davis/Clancy. Davis definitley needs to go, that i'll agree on. Whiz supposedly wanted to hire Butler but you can't make a guy leave. I'll say thee is almost zero chance the Cards have the same coaching staff next year. The only 2 who are truly safe are Whiz and the special teams coach. Unfortunately, I think the only chance of Grimm leaving is being hired as a HC.

 

[Cardiac]

I'm actually more embarassed by some of our fans then how the Cards played yesterday.

 

[Mulli]

I'm actually more embarassed by some of our fans then how the Cards played yesterday.

Yep.

 

[chickenhead]

I want to see different coordinators before I consider firing Whiz. After we lost the Super Bowl, no one wanted to fire Whiz and Haley, they wanted to fire Clancy. Then we lost Haley and did not improve on Clancy with Davis.

Btw, the Chiefs got destroyed yesterday with Haley, Romeo, and Weis on the sidelines. So it happens even with good coordinators.

 

[Duckjake]

I'm actually more embarrassed by some of our fans then how the Cards played yesterday.

Why?

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Whiz isn't going anywhere, he'll probably have a new DC though in 2012 when the NFL picks back up.

 

[conraddobler]

you're right... Wiz has no clue... as a HC of a team that went to the Super Bowl and OC of a different team that WON the Super Bowl he is without a doubt, beyond clueless in every sense of the word! Seriously, how does that guy even have a JOB in the NFL?

The above and every argument you make is as stupid as you are Rats. Sorry to be so blunt, but I don't know what else to say to someone who literally gives our HC no credit for ANYTHING that's happened good to this team which has been a joke forever (and credits Haley, who's team is headed for complete and utter meltdown after a 2-14 first season and Warner, who was pond-scum before Wiz got here).

Minor points.

Haley was 4-12 his first year.

They "the Chiefs" are not headed for a complete meltdown.

Good luck defending Whiz, I hope he starts giving you some ammunition to work with cause there be a heap amount of bad guys and you're running low on the SB cache you're drawing down on.

 

[earthsci]

Considering this franchise's record of hiring "good" football coaches since they fired the last "good" one in 1977, I think that it is a little rash to be calling for the head of the coach who has the most playoff wins in the entire history of the Cardinals. Changes need to be made and Whiz has made many mistakes this year but you won't find too many coaches that haven't had off years.

 

[Duckjake]

Duck, you know I love you, but you just seem clueless this year comparing 2003 to this team. That year, we were lost EVERY game on the road with a stretch of games losing to 3-13 teams 44-6... 28-3... 50-14... this year, we've won a road game, struggled against Seattle but still played within 12 points and lost in OT. There ain't no comparison between the two. At least not yet enough for me to lay 5 hundo on a 15 point spread without a care in the world.

The Mackage was a sure bet to lose EVERY road game by 20 points... this one, somehow, someway, has found a way to win or be competitive in some of them. That's a HUGE difference.

Ok I'll give you this but with getting beat 41-7, 41-10, and 36-18 and giving up 74 points and almost 900 yards of offense in their last two home games the 2010 team is catching up fast.

 

[Cardiac]

you're right... Wiz has no clue... as a HC of a team that went to the Super Bowl and OC of a different team that WON the Super Bowl he is without a doubt, beyond clueless in every sense of the word! Seriously, how does that guy even have a JOB in the NFL?

The above and every argument you make is as stupid as you are Rats. Sorry to be so blunt, but I don't know what else to say to someone who literally gives our HC no credit for ANYTHING that's happened good to this team which has been a joke forever (and credits Haley, who's team is headed for complete and utter meltdown after a 2-14 first season and Warner, who was pond-scum before Wiz got here).

I'm actually more embarassed by some of our fans then how the Cards played yesterday.

Why?

Cheese speaks for me on this. Chicken little's runnin around calling for the HC's head. Ain't gonna happen, shouldn't happen and to theorize otherwise is silly at best. Some of our fans would make Philly, Cowboy, Raiders and Pats fans seem like reasonable well balanced human beings.

 

[Duckjake]

Cheese speaks for me on this. Chicken little's runnin around calling for the HC's head. Ain't gonna happen, shouldn't happen and to theorize otherwise is silly at best. Some of our fans would make Philly, Cowboy, Raiders and Pats fans seem like reasonable well balanced human beings.

So why should that embarrass you? Its just the usual hyperbole you see when people complain about something.

However, only in Sports do patrons get criticized for complaining about a poor product.

 

[conraddobler]

Cheese speaks for me on this. Chicken little's runnin around calling for the HC's head. Ain't gonna happen, shouldn't happen and to theorize otherwise is silly at best. Some of our fans would make Philly, Cowboy, Raiders and Pats fans seem like reasonable well balanced human beings.

Past performance is not an indicator of future performance.

Not ALWAYS at least.

Too much faith in Whiz just because he made it to the SB with Warner is IMO is as unwarranted as wanting to can him immediately.

Let's see how he responds to adversity first before firing him but make no mistake he has had a big hand in creating a lot of the adversity himself.

He can't CONTINUE this path, I am curious to see what he's made of when it hits him just how far off the rails this thing has run, IMO that's what makes a HC finally.

So no I would not be at all for firing him now, but insanity would be continuing this path and expecting results to change.

His entire worth as a HC is the ability to see where things have run off the rails and correctly diagnose a fix for it.

Let's see him do that this offseason and see what ideas he comes up with, that will be what I judge him on, this season is a total washout but he dosen't get an infinite amount of those just because of one SB loss.

 

[Cardiac]

So why should that embarrass you? Its just the usual hyperbole you see when people complain about something.

However, only in Sports do patrons get criticized for complaining about a poor product.

So exchange embarrassed with dissapointed or irratated or frustrated.

I take pride in being a Cards fan. One of the few teams that isn't comprised of bandwagon ignorant fans. If the team can't win on the field at least the fans should win in the stands.