Compensatory picks will be announced this week. Do we get one?

[BullheadCardFan]

RT @ATLJBO22: Have the compensatory draft picks list been released yet? ... This week the league will announce them.

http://twitter.com/Adam_Schefter

 

[Shane]

No

 

[Arizona's Finest]

No

Thread Killer

 

[Crazy Canuck]

No... with the sincerest hope that I've guessed wrong.

 

[joeshmo]

Been discussed in other threads when Adamjt13 put out is estimates.

About a 1% chance we get a 3rd, 1% chance we get a 4th, 1% chance we get a late 7th, based solely on how Jason Wright grades out for this year, but past examples of other guys that grade out similar to Jason Wright shows it will count against us, thus a 97% chance we get nothing.

 

[Oly]

Been discussed in other threads when Adamjt13 put out is estimates.

About a 1% chance we get a 3rd, 1% chance we get a 4th, 1% chance we get a late 7th, based solely on how Jason Wright grades out for this year, but past examples of other guys that grade out similar to Jason Wright shows it will count against us, thus a 97% chance we get nothing.

97% chance we get nothing. OK, so let's just go out and get drunk instead it always up my odds with the ladies maybe works with the draft as well.

 

[PDXChris]

 

[Stout]

Exactly where my mind went, Banky!

 

[WarnerHOF]

We negated what probably would've been a 3rd for Smith by signing the garbage that is McFadden and Wright.

 

[sportznutt]

We will get a 1st, 3 2nd's and 4 3rd's.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

Exactly where my mind went, Banky!

That is funny.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Exactly where my mind went, Banky!

me too.

 

[cardsfanmd]

Exactly where my mind went, Banky!

me too.

co-sign

 

[rode kardinaal]

We negated what probably would've been a 3rd for Smith by signing the garbage that is McFadden and Wright.

One would think that there's a lesson to be learned here. Yet, if things stay the same as they are right now (which they probably won't, i know), we negated a pretty sure 3rd next year for Dansby by signing special teamer and backup Paris Lenon.

I know, i know, way too soon .

 

[JeffGollin]

Maybe they'll give us a touching piece of memorabilia that reads -

"We gave up Boldin, Dansby & Rolle - and all we got was this crumby tee-shirt."

 

[joeshmo]

We negated what probably would've been a 3rd for Smith by signing the garbage that is McFadden and Wright.

First, neither was garbage. Wright was an excelent special teamer and McFadden was easily an upgrade over Hood, thats just a fact both in terms of stats and film.

Second, trying to play free agency and deciding who you are going to sign or not sign based on comp picks is just plain silly.

Third, even if they were trying to play the comp pick game at the time we still would have got a 3rd rounder or 4th rounder for A. Smith because Green, Hood, and Terrelle Smith all signed on with other teams and were qualifing free agents according to the comp pick rules. All three were cut from the teams they signed with thus negatiing their effects.

 

[Monty]

One would think that there's a lesson to be learned here. Yet, if things stay the same as they are right now (which they probably won't, i know), we negated a pretty sure 3rd next year for Dansby by signing special teamer and backup Paris Lenon.

I know, i know, way too soon .

Forgive me if im being naive but how does a special teamer like Lenon really equate into the argument as to whether Dansby will get us a 3rd comp pick next year?

BTW Feyenoord are rubbish PSV are the reigning kings of Dutch football and there aint no way your hooligan wimps are going anywhere

 

[rode kardinaal]

Forgive me if im being naive but how does a special teamer like Lenon really equate into the argument as to whether Dansby will get us a 3rd comp pick next year?

Like i said, it's way too soon to think about that. Still a lot of players who can be signed.

But basically and extremely simplified what it comes down to is this, a team loses an amount of free agents to other teams and signs a number of free agents from other teams. If the amount of players lost is higher than the amount of players gained, you'll be in the market for compensation picks (the compensation will be determined by the value of the players lost versus the value of the players signed).

However, when you've lost 2 players and gained 2 players, then there's no situation where you've lost more than you've signed, the amount is equal. There's still a chance of a compensation pick if the value of the lost players exceeds the value of the gained players by a lot, but from what i understand it'll only be a 7th rounder.

When you gain more than you lose, no matter what the value of the players, no compensation picks will be rewarded.

So, in short, the first thing they look at is the amount of qualifying players lost versus qualifying players gained (step1). Only after that they take the value of the players into account (step2).

To translate it into our situation before the Paris Lenon signing (which, again, will not be the endsituation, a lot will happen, many variables like playing time haven't been decided yet, so this is pure for the fun of it), we've lost Dansby and Urban, and gained Hadnot. (Step 1), we've lost more than we gained --> (step2), the enormous contract that Dansby received would probably have been good for a 3rd round comp pick, even if the Hadnot contract is bigger than the Urban deal in KC. But the minute we signed Lenon (who'll, based on his contract will most probably qualify), the whole money-thing (step2) became somewhat unimportant, since (step1) showed that we didn't lose more than we gained anymore (we'd probably end up with a 7nd rounder based on value).

(Porter and Anderson were released players, they weren't free agents, so they don't count in the equation)

BTW Feyenoord are rubbish PSV are the reigning kings of Dutch football and there aint no way your hooligan wimps are going anywhere

Those reigning kings have been dethroned already, stay with it. Unfortunately not by us though (although we did kick their asses in the cup two months ago).

 

[joeshmo]

To translate it into our situation before the Paris Lenon signing (which, again, will not be the endsituation, a lot will happen, many variables like playing time haven't been decided yet, so this is pure for the fun of it), we've lost Dansby and Urban, and gained Hadnot. (Step 1), we've lost more than we gained --> (step2), the enormous contract that Dansby received would probably have been good for a 3rd round comp pick, even if the Hadnot contract is bigger than the Urban deal in KC. But the minute we signed Lenon (who'll, based on his contract will most probably qualify), the whole money-thing (step2) became somewhat unimportant, since (step1) showed that we didn't lose more than we gained anymore (we'd probably end up with a 7nd rounder based on value).

You are spot on with your explaination but Urban was a RFA and we decided to not tender him, thus its almost like we cut him so he is not a qualifing free agent for comp pick purposes. As of right now the comp pick qualifing free agent chart looks as such -

Qualifing free agents signed - Hadnot, Lenon
Qualifing free agents lost - Dansby

Thus as of right now no comp pick in 2011 (if there are comp picks in 2011 depending on what a new CBA says that is, if there is no CBA then Comp picks will be back for the last draft of this current CBA)

Here are the current players that if signed by another team before the deadline(not sure what that date is) would count as a qualifing free agent lost for us (if they dont get cut like Hood, Green, and Smith did last year) - Biesel, Ralph Brown, Krieder, Okeafer, Gandy, Morey, Rackers, Bryan Robinson, BSP, and Ware.

 

[Monty]

Like i said, it's way too soon to think about that. Still a lot of players who can be signed.

But basically and extremely simplified what it comes down to is this, a team loses an amount of free agents to other teams and signs a number of free agents from other teams. If the amount of players lost is higher than the amount of players gained, you'll be in the market for compensation picks (the compensation will be determined by the value of the players lost versus the value of the players signed).

However, when you've lost 2 players and gained 2 players, then there's no situation where you've lost more than you've signed, the amount is equal. There's still a chance of a compensation pick if the value of the lost players exceeds the value of the gained players by a lot, but from what i understand it'll only be a 7th rounder.

When you gain more than you lose, no matter what the value of the players, no compensation picks will be rewarded.

So, in short, the first thing they look at is the amount of qualifying players lost versus qualifying players gained (step1). Only after that they take the value of the players into account (step2).

To translate it into our situation before the Paris Lenon signing (which, again, will not be the endsituation, a lot will happen, many variables like playing time haven't been decided yet, so this is pure for the fun of it), we've lost Dansby and Urban, and gained Hadnot. (Step 1), we've lost more than we gained --> (step2), the enormous contract that Dansby received would probably have been good for a 3rd round comp pick, even if the Hadnot contract is bigger than the Urban deal in KC. But the minute we signed Lenon (who'll, based on his contract will most probably qualify), the whole money-thing (step2) became somewhat unimportant, since (step1) showed that we didn't lose more than we gained anymore (we'd probably end up with a 7nd rounder based on value).

(Porter and Anderson were released players, they weren't free agents, so they don't count in the equation)


Those reigning kings have been dethroned already, stay with it. Unfortunately not by us though (although we did kick their asses in the cup two months ago).

I understand the rules of comp picks very well and like you said it is too early to say but my guess is we get a minimum of a seventh next year.

Now to the more important issue of Dutch Football. I know AZ won the title last year but i was referrring to the domination of Dutch football in general over the last decade by PSV who i believe have won SEVEN out of the last 10. That to me spells domination like no other. Also Feyenoord are a non-contender who were once a decent team but are now a complete joke. I believe we came to your own house and handed you your back-side. The cup in holland is meaningless so i dont even look at that. To be honest its emberassing you're even comparing Feyenoord to PSV as feyenoord ceased to exist in 98 after that the only competition weve had has been Ajax and now AZ/Twente uprising. Comparing the two is an insult its like comparing the current Rams to the Steelers or Patriots and believe me im being generous when i say that as i actually think the Rams are a more competitive team then Feyenoord.

 

[juza76]

when you got a player who has been cut or you got a player from a trade is not inclused in the evaluation of compensatory draft picks...so we lost dansby but we got hadnot

 

[joeshmo]

It is official we did not get any comp picks, which was fully expected.

Other NFC West opponents didnt get much either. One team got a 6th and the other two got one 7th.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

McFadden was easily an upgrade over Hood, thats just a fact both in terms of stats and film.

I certainly don't do film review, but I'd be hard pressed to find many fans who thought McFadden was easily an upgrade over Hood. Maybe my opinion of him is colored by how he was beaten like a rented mule in the playoffs, or maybe the expectations were high for McFadden, but I'd say he wasn't much of an upgrade at all on Hood.

Letting Hood go for financial reasons really bit us in the ass as the year went on and our depth at DB was shot.

 

[joeshmo]

I certainly don't do film review, but I'd be hard pressed to find many fans who thought McFadden was easily an upgrade over Hood. Maybe my opinion of him is colored by how he was beaten like a rented mule in the playoffs, or maybe the expectations were high for McFadden, but I'd say he wasn't much of an upgrade at all on Hood.

Letting Hood go for financial reasons really bit us in the ass as the year went on and our depth at DB was shot.

Most fans also dont look at the whole season and most have a perception of what a player has done based on the last game they played, or the last great play they made or the last good one they made.

All I have to do is mention one stat and its end of story - Hood gave up 8 TD's, McFadden gave up 2 TD's.

 

[English on tour]

Nope.

SF get a en extra 6th rounder as far as i can see.