Spurs request suspension of Barbosa

[nowagimp]

Just watch Ginobili a bit closer after the contact with Nash. It's hillarious. You can clearly see that he still could continue running if he wanted to (didn't lose his balance at all) and than dives to the ground like a soccer player.

this guy is so good he can only be caught flopping on replay. Ever since he cut his hair its alot harder to see the flop. I wonder if that was a strategic haircut, for an extra competitive edge. Or did he just fall out of touch with his feminine side?

 

[strike19]

Hitler was all offense... No D.

 

[PoolBoy]

god ginobli is such a punk ass. bell basically tapped his arms, and you better believe he was trying to get bell suspended. i agree with cobbler when he says old time players are probably disgusted with all of this. just play ball. we didn't watch to see a bunch of panzies flop. just play ball spurs, but you wouldn't win without your antics.

 

[TheHopToad]

in Game 4, I believe we were up 4 with about 12 seconds left, right? The Spurs were up 5 with the ball with 14 second left, right? How are the circumstances (not saying the foul necessarily) not exactly the same, if not more so slanted towards SA considering the spurs were actually up more at the same point in the game?

Actually in last year's game 4, the Horry foul occurred with 18 seconds left and the Suns leading 100-97. Yep, more slanted towards the Spurs.

http://www.nba.com/games/20070514/PHXSAS/playbyplay.html

 

[95pro]

Gimme a break. So it's Ginobili's fault for being fouled, despite replays clearly showed that he was mugged by both Shaq and Barbosa? Is there some disease in this forum? This is just absolutely hilarious.

Tell you what, you don't even have to slow it down, you can clearly see Ginobili being fouled, is that better?

a couple of posts later...

Because it was so clear that Ginobili fell down all on his own if we ignore Shaq. Guess what? There wasn't even much of a foul if Shaq is taken out of the equation, we may be looking at a non-call, and at worst, jumpball!

Yes, let us ignore other relevant ingredients and strictly look at players in a vacuum. If you take Barbosa out as well, you can see Ginobili snapping his head backward. In fact, if you take all Suns players out of all the players where the Spurs were fouled in both Games 1 and 2, it appears that they flop in every single one.

so Barbs was mugging him.

but if shaq is out of the play,
barbs is not mugging him & there's not much of a foul?

then why would barbosa be suspended?




kid, go away. your the "disease" on this forum. lucky suns fans are immune to you.

 

[BigJit]

The funniest part of the second video was watching Ginobli & Nash use their best flopping skills in the first part. Nash hits the ground then flails his arms back like a truck just hit him! LOL! Then Ginobli, seeing Nash go flying back about 5 feet, says oh crap, I better fall too, just in case! Freakin hysterical! Two of the best Floppers the NBA has to offer doing what they do best! Classic! But at the end, the Bell foul was about as bad as Horry's foul last year. Same exact situation as last years game too. The only difference is that there was no scorers table for Manu to get nailed into. And this time, the Spurs had the ball with the lead. But c'mon Suns fans. Lets be real here. How is Horry's HIP check on Nash worse than Bell's SHOULDER check on Ginobli? The only difference besides what part of the body was used to foul the player with the ball was that after Bell drove his shoulder into Ginobli, he held his arms up as if to say, I just gave him a simple foul, no more. And Horry last year just walked away as if to say, Yeah, I fouled him hard. That's the only difference. Clearly, the Suns are playing more physical than the Spurs are so far this series. But we all knew that was gonna happen after last years great series.

 

[Treesquid PhD]

That was nothing close to what Bowen does, not even in the same universe. There is a huge difference between being physical in a pile up and kicking at someone's ankle while they are defenseless.

 

[Hat]

Suns should take this opportunity, and request a suspension of Bowen for dirty play as well. There are plenty of videos that show his cheap tatics for "defense."

Hey, whatever it takes to win a championship, right?

 

[nowagimp]

The funniest part of the second video was watching Ginobli & Nash use their best flopping skills in the first part. Nash hits the ground then flails his arms back like a truck just hit him! LOL! Then Ginobli, seeing Nash go flying back about 5 feet, says oh crap, I better fall too, just in case! Freakin hysterical! Two of the best Floppers the NBA has to offer doing what they do best! Classic! But at the end, the Bell foul was about as bad as Horry's foul last year. Same exact situation as last years game too. The only difference is that there was no scorers table for Manu to get nailed into.

Nah, I'd rather get knocked to the floor by a guy my size than checked into the scorers table by a guy weighing 70-80 lbs more than me. But you are right about the flops, hilarious.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Actually in last year's game 4, the Horry foul occurred with 18 seconds left and the Suns leading 100-97. Yep, more slanted towards the Spurs.

http://www.nba.com/games/20070514/PHXSAS/playbyplay.html

that's actually what I thought happened but I wasn't sure so I tried to give Chap the benefit of the doubt. I guess they were totally different circumstances, with this year's game being being more over than last year's when a similar foul happened.

 

[Chaplin]

Actually in last year's game 4, the Horry foul occurred with 18 seconds left and the Suns leading 100-97. Yep, more slanted towards the Spurs.

http://www.nba.com/games/20070514/PHXSAS/playbyplay.html

You're right, I really messed that one up. My bad.

 

[mojorizen7]

Looked like retaliation cause he got clobbered from behind the head. Although it wasn't Gynosebleed that hit him.

Thats right on point. I remember that play during the game & looked to the guy next to me and said that Barbs prob thought that Manure popped him first from behind.
SPURS just trying to add insult to injury here IMO.
A foul was called so who cares.

 

[Darth Llama]

Give me a break. Barbosa doesn't intentionally hit people. Funny that a freaking Laker fan is the biggest proponent here of suspending him when he doesn't even watch the Suns to know that Barbosa would never deliberately do that.

Unlike you, I'm impartial since I'm not a fan of either team. You defend everything if the Suns do it, and cry if the Spurs do it. The Suns are proving in this series that they can be just as dirty as the Spurs. And for the record, I do watch Suns games, I just root for the other team.

 

[Cheesewater]

Unlike you, I'm impartial since I'm not a fan of either team. You defend everything if the Suns do it, and cry if the Spurs do it. The Suns are proving in this series that they can be just as dirty as the Spurs. And for the record, I do watch Suns games, I just root for the other team.

Hmmm.

 

[Darth Llama]

Hmmm.

I do the same thing to the Spurs.

I'm just kidding about always rooting against them, but I seriously do see some "chippy" play from Phoenix in this series. I realize however, that they are provoked. I'm not saying the Spurs don't deserve it, they do deserve it, but lets call it what it is. The Suns are taking some revenge, plain and simple.

 

[BigJit]

But the Suns revenge will mean squat if they don't win this series.

 

[CardsFan88]

looks to me that bowen is falling, and using barbosa's upper right arm/shoulder area as a mean to support his weight. Barbosa reacts as he is off-balance and moves his arms in a way to remove ginobili's arms from bringing him down. That's a save your own butt, instinctive play. In the process of this ginobili holds on, can't really blame him as both are players are destined for a fall at this point. The extension of barbosa's arm which contacts the head is an inadvertent result of a situation entered into and perpetuated by ginobili entering into barbosa's space.

Looks like it hurt, but in no way malicious on both ends. Both guys going for the ball.

The only reason this was brought up is to make it appear as if the Suns are getting away with stuff, or that the Suns are playing just as dirty.

This is a coaches ploy (which is his job to do) to get the refs to subconsciously favor him.

I don't think he needs to because imho they do favor them, but Pop is doing a good job of trying to not to lose that edge.

It's a classic case of imo (bare with me) of somebody being robbed, and someone claiming to be robbed. The guy who is claiming to be robbed says yeah, that other guy was robbed..we BOTH were, and maybe let's let's focus on doing this right for everybody.

Through such an acknowledgment (in the situation) the attention shifts from the spurs to the suns because one side has already acknowledged the wrongdoing, so there is unfinished business figuring out if the other did....by paying more attention to watching them.

(the basis of this judgment is that imho I felt the refs came out with a focus on watching the spurs the last game...he's now attempting to subtley pushing the refs to focus on the suns based off the barbosa situation)

It is a mark of a great coach to do this, imo.

Hopefully it's obvious to the refs what he is trying to do and they successfully see through it and call the game the way their normal way.

Maybe a bit to much analysis lol

Either way Go SUNS!!

 

[Darth Llama]

The Suns can get the best revenge possible by winning the series. If they're going to do it though, it starts tonight. Tonight is the most important game of the year for the Phoenix Suns. They win and it's a series, they lose, and it's all just a formality.

Suns still have not lost 3 in a row all season by the way.

 

[elindholm]

Tonight is the most important game of the year for the Phoenix Suns. They win and it's a series, they lose, and it's all just a formality.

It's already just a formality. The series ended with Duncan's three-pointer. You might have to be a long-time Suns fan to know that, but trust me, as soon as that shot dropped, we all knew.

 

[mojorizen7]

It's already just a formality. The series ended with Duncan's three-pointer. You might have to be a long-time Suns fan to know that, but trust me, as soon as that shot dropped, we all knew.

I'm glad someone had the balls to say it.
SUNS fans have been punched in the gut from playoff opponents 3 point shots for years.

 

[tobiazz]

Read: Ginobili is responsible for being fouled.

Read: The Spurs were responsible for Stoudemire and Diaw not having the mental capacity to stay on the bench.

Read: Ginobili didn't even have control of the ball when he got hard fouled, but it's OK, because he is just a Spur, not a Sun.

Don't mischaracterize what I write, simpleton. Your comments are complete non sequiturs, having nothing to do with my analysis and not representative of my thoughts at all.

Read: You are now on my ignore list.

 

[dodie53]

wow.
i'm surprised LB did that

 

[CaptainInsano]

It's already just a formality. The series ended with Duncan's three-pointer. You might have to be a long-time Suns fan to know that, but trust me, as soon as that shot dropped, we all knew.

Exactly, I wrote up a post when the spurs won that game, and it was all about how we were cursed as in literally some type of curse after that ridiculousness. I mean seriously duncan hitting a 3 to basically win the game for the spurs when you write it all down. I decided not to post it since I figured I might as well wait until after the result of game 2. Then, after game 2, I didn't even care anymore.

 

[ambchang_]

Barbs wouldn't hurt a fly.

Anyone who thinks he did it on purpose is an idiot. Hence, why the Spurs have to complain about it.

Why would you know Bowen would?

 

[ambchang_]

1) LOL. So that's what happens when two players perform a flop at the same time. Offensive flop vs defensive flop.
2) Hard fould to stop a penetration on the wing seems out of context to an intentional very hard foul at midcourt to let out your anger after losing a ball game.
I don't see any Spurs players clearing the bench for the same reason I just stated. Bell's foul is not like Horry's foul. And Spurs players obviously can tell the difference. If Bell had fouled like Horry did, we would see some players clearing the bench.

This site is like comedy gold, so when Ginobili is fouled hard across the shoulder, it's flopping, but when Nash got hip checked, it's really because the impact could throw him 5 feet off the court with arms flailing.

A hard foul on the wing before the player actually got full control of the ball is necessary, and is not an intentional hard foul to send the other team to the line and get possession back.

So we will have to wait for players to pull an exact same hip check to see the impact of Horry's foul. It isn't the same, it's totally different, just like Shaq throwing Parker to the ground is different, or just like how Shaq hipchecked Duncan into a flagrant foul is different.

How about this? The Suns didn't have the discipline to stay on the bench and let their hot heads get into their games. They acted stupidly in a totally winnable series.