Look like the #16 pick is ours

[sundevil04]

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I'd LOVE to see Vernon Gholston still on the board
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[CardLogic]

That's exactly how I feel.

It's a negative to pay a guy 80 bazzillion dollars when he's never played a down in the NFL. Hurts your cap, and hurts the chemistry of your team when guys like Q get chump change compared to your unproven high draft pick.

I'm ecstatic about having a mid 1st round choice, and look forward to the day when we'll be drafting at the end of the first round.

I have been thinking about the draft with regards to the contracts awarded the high picks (say top 10). The system was originally designed to help the team with the poorer records, thereby promoting parity. But, due to larger and larger rookie contracts awarded to young, unproven players, it may in fact be a detriment to teams to pick early in the draft; especially so if a team has a high draft pick that busts.

I am beginning to think that picking in the top 10 spots in the draft does not promote but actually deters parity.

Something the league needs to consider?

 

[Shane]

Dropping down to #16 won't make any difference because the guy that the Cards would have drafted at #9 will still be available.

I think thats funny!

 

[JerkFace]

I have been thinking about the draft with regards to the contracts awarded the high picks (say top 10). The system was originally designed to help the team with the poorer records, thereby promoting parity. But, due to larger and larger rookie contracts awarded to young, unproven players, it may in fact be a detriment to teams to pick early in the draft; especially so if a team has a high draft pick that busts.

I am beginning to think that picking in the top 10 spots in the draft does not promote but actually deters parity.

Something the league needs to consider?

The league needs to slot the picks like the nba does. This will leave more money for veterans and make the rookies prove themselves.

 

[daves]

Remember how some fans we're upset a few years ago when the hail mary to beat the Vikings cost us the #1 pick and moved us down to #3...and we ended up woth Fitz instead of Eli Manning

Well... I would prefer the team to try to win every game possible, but keep in mind that the Chargers did manage to parlay that #1 pick into Philip Rivers, Shawne Merriman, Nate Kaeding, and Roman Oben.

!!!

...dave

 

[DaisyCutter]

Your secondary is only as good as your pressure on the QB. Think of how well our defense played before Berry went down. And Bert was not getting alot of sacks. We need a PASS RUSHER!!! Bad!!!

Absolutely, but I'd rather have the best corner on the board than the 3rd or 4th best pass rusher, if it comes down to that. There'll likely be a mini-run on DEs right before our pick. There almost always is in the 10-15 range.

 

[sundevil04]

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We should be sitting right in the range where the guys we'd prefer will fall.


G.Dorsey
D.McFadden
J.Long
C.Long
M.Ryan
B.Brohm
A.Woodson
S.Ellis
J.Laurinitis

You have to figure the 9 players listed above will go before we pick. None of which we'd be realistically interested in. Then we'll see names like those below start to go...

Keith Rivers - LB - USC
Dan OConnor - LB - Penn St.
Ryan Clady - OT - Boise St.
Vernon Gholston - DE - Ohio St.
Derrick Harvey - DE - Florida
Quintin Groves - DE - Auburn
Calais Campbell - DE - Miami
Malcom Jenkins - CB - Ohio St.
Mike Jenkins - CB - USF
Antoine Cason - CB - U of A
Kenny Phillips - FS - Miami
Jonathan Stewart - RB - Oregon

Those would be my top 21 in the draft but, just like every year some teams will reach. I could see a guy like D.Jackson from cal moving early in the draft if he runs well at the combine and a team needs a playmaker. This means we should have at least 5 of those 12 players listed above sitting there when we pick...I LIKE!

I'd like to see V.Gholston, Malcom Jenkins, A.Cason or J.Stewart as our guy, there's a good chance one of those will be there
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[Cbus cardsfan]

We are in Cason predicted range!

he'll probably be gone by time we get on the clock for pick #47 .

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

For the OSU guys, Gholston and Jenkins will most likely be gone. As for Laurinitis, i hope he's gone. I'm just not sold on him as a NFL LB. He's very productive but i think he gets by on his athleticism in college and that won't be the case in the pros.I could be way off but i say he'll struggle. He doesn't have the size of an AJ Hawk or Bobby Carpenter.He kind of reminds me of the LB from Oklahoma a few years ago, Rocky Calmus i think was his name. He hasn't done a whole in the NFL that i'm aware of.

 

[Southpaw]

Take Harvey and Campbell off that list for me.

The only thing Harvery ever did was make a name for himself in one national championship game. Everyone rode his jock on that one game alone during preseason, then he goes out and completely falls flat on his face his during this past season. Production was no where to be found.

Almost same scenerio for Campbell. ONly reason he was rated so high during preseason was because of measureables. He then goes out and proves measureables do not equal production and has a crappy season.

I will Groves a pass on his below average season as well only becuase he was playing on 3 brokwn toes most of the year.

Kenny Phillips is also a tad overratted as well IMO. Riding the coat tails of past Miami Safeties some bit.

I will say that the draft debates this year will be hotly debated because sitting at #16 we have way more options and possibilities then in years past.

Also have to add in my sleeper who after is all said and done I think will be considered top 20 material. OLB Shawn Crable of Michigan. Will have great measureables, perfect 3-4 OLB prospect, and leads the nation in TFL's. Combine is TFL plus his sacks and he leads the nation in stops behind the line of scrimmage.

Methinks you are a bit jaded on those observations. Calais Campbell was playing on a d line with 245 pound DTs. He was constantly forced to pinch down inside to help and had to give up the edge. Most teams ran on Miami and his talents were unused.

Kenny Phillips was in a secondary with 3 freshmen and was all over the field. BTW, Kenny Phillips can play corner better than safety.

The pre draft evaluation applications showed both to be top ten talent, which shows that the pros disagree with you. NO biggie, just another opinion.

 

[Southpaw]

RB is Cards primary need. Stewart will be there at 15/16. LB need. DE. TE. Speed WR.

 

[Southpaw]

Dropping down to #16 won't make any difference because the guy that the Cards would have drafted at #9 will still be available.

That is accurate and funny/sad. Levi Brown???????????

 

[cardsfanmd]

Your secondary is only as good as your pressure on the QB. Think of how well our defense played before Berry went down. And Bert was not getting alot of sacks. We need a PASS RUSHER!!! Bad!!!

Uh yeah, but I would venture to say that the secondar really went to crap when AW and Green went down Francisco was already out) and we started seeing Celestine and Ralph Brown. I do agree with you on the principle of the pass rush thing though.

 

[Shogun]

You know what joeshmo, I've let you speak your piece on Calais all season and while I do share some of your sentiment you haven't seen the whole picture with him.

I don't know how you can say he was only rated high because of measurables when he was at the top of the nation with 20.5 tackles for loss and 10 sacks AS A SOPHMORE. I reiterate that while Campbell has a limited pass rush movelist and average technique, he played 300+ more snaps than he did last year and he lost some of his explosiveness by bulking up too much (he was around 290 because he heard the critiques about his lack of bulk). Added with the fact that our DTs sucked, the opposing offense just keyed on him (seeing triple-teams every play) - which factored into Eric Moncur's good year. He still was top notch vs. the run, which is what some of you don't see.

He had a solid year (lame statistically in comparison to last year - 50 TKL, 6 SK, INT), but just didn't take that next step and the recognition of other defensive ends (Long, Gholston, etc.) makes his season look worse than it really is. He still can overpower the OT and is great at pursuit.

I still think Long is still the best DE in the nation, but Calais isn't just measurables. I can tell you that.

 

[Doc Cardinal]

Gholston will be gone by #16.

 

[joeshmo]

Methinks you are a bit jaded on those observations. Calais Campbell was playing on a d line with 245 pound DTs. He was constantly forced to pinch down inside to help and had to give up the edge. Most teams ran on Miami and his talents were unused.

Kenny Phillips was in a secondary with 3 freshmen and was all over the field. BTW, Kenny Phillips can play corner better than safety.

The pre draft evaluation applications showed both to be top ten talent, which shows that the pros disagree with you. NO biggie, just another opinion.

Top 10 talent produce inspite of their preceived excuses. Neither one produced.

I give Phillips a slight repreave because he was still named all ACC 1st team.

As for Campbell excuse of not producing becuase of 245 pound DT's. According to Rivals depth chart their DT's weigh 271 and 286 with a 255 pound pass rusher in Vegas rotating in.

 

[Shogun]

As for Campbell excuse of not producing becuase of 245 pound DT's. According to Rivals depth chart their DT's weigh 271 and 286 with a 255 pound pass rusher in Vegas rotating in.

They still didn't do what they were supposed to.

 

[joeshmo]

He had a solid year (lame statistically in comparison to last year - 50 TKL, 6 SK, INT),

I will give some on most of the other points but that is not a solid season.

 

[Shogun]

I will give some on most of the other points but that is not a solid season.

When you include the things that can't be seen on a statline, yeah it was.

 

[joeshmo]

When you include the things that can't be seen on a statline, yeah it was.

Again top 10 talent push through that stuff and still produce. It is what seperates blue chippers and just 1st round prospects.

He needs to stay in school and put his weight back down to a more natural state.

Also sounds like Campbell is more of a 4-3 DE if he needs bigger better DT's next to him to produce. And his 285 is not a natural weight for him. Shouldnt be in our plans anyways.

 

[Shogun]

Again top 10 talent push through that stuff and still produce. It is what seperates blue chippers and just 1st round prospects.

He needs to stay in school and put his weight back down to a more natural state.

Also sounds like Campbell is more of a 4-3 DE if he needs bigger better DT's next to him to produce. And his 285 is not a natural weight for him. Shouldnt be in our plans anyways.

I agree on all accounts. He'd be lost in a 3-4. I just felt the need to clean up some things before people call him a total dud.

 

[joeshmo]

I agree on all accounts. He'd be lost in a 3-4. I just felt the need to clean up some things before people call him a total dud.

Never thought he was a total dud. Still think 1st round possibilites just not top 10 like his preseason hype lead to believe.

 

[Southpaw]

Top 10 talent produce inspite of their preceived excuses. Neither one produced.

I give Phillips a slight repreave because he was still named all ACC 1st team.

As for Campbell excuse of not producing becuase of 245 pound DT's. According to Rivals depth chart their DT's weigh 271 and 286 with a 255 pound pass rusher in Vegas rotating in.

Who are these DTs that weigh 271 and 286? Dixon was hurt most of the year. Vegas Franklin is a bulked up MLB. Joe Joseph played 3 games at end of year. Dwayne Hendricks injured and did not play most of year. Teraz McCray injured most of year and not close to 286 #.

Believe me, Miami's defense sucked as badly as their offense this year and Phillips and Campbell were the gems who covered for everyone else. Entirely new coaching staff consisting of the DB coach /DC who was just fired. A DL coach who was a grad ass't last year and a LB coach who was an ass't coach for a high school last year. Oh BTW, a brand new HC, who was Lost in Space.

 

[Shogun]

Oh BTW, a brand new HC, who was Lost in Space.

Take that back. Shannon did well for his first year considering what he was given.

 

[Southpaw]

Take that back. Shannon did well for his first year considering what he was given.

Nope. Won't do it. He was the DC and lead recruiter under Coker. He inherited his own mess.