You guys are crazy wanting to trade PP

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  1. CardsSunsDbacks

    CardsSunsDbacks Not So Skeptical

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    Extremely well coached teams and while his offensive help wasn't good they were good defensive teams. Again the game is played on both ends and between him having much better coaching and being the better two way player his teams overachieved their talent.

    I would be very curious to see what the Suns would have looked like the last few years with a someone as good as Phil Jackson coaching them.
     
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    Yes he would. I watched AW streak the sideline wearing Michael irvins jersey without ever touching him
    AW was a freak... Prime is the only dB that was ever better and you could even argue that because AW supported the run and wasn’t afraid to get dirty
    Not saying pp is bad but AW was on an entirely different level
     
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    Syracusecards DA's pass went that way

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    I love Aeneas and don’t disagree with you but I wonder how he would fare with all the ticky tack holding and PI calls these days. He could be pretty handsy sometimes.
     
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    Syracusecards DA's pass went that way

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    I feel like our team is so good right now that if it’s just a matter of getting 5% less from us than some other team that he would stay with us. he seems like he is having so much fun.
     
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    But he played within the rules then and he would play within the rules now

    sad part of it is.... if someone were to go ask AW today which guy is better he would instantly say pp is better than he ever was..... which just makes the man even better
     
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    Obviously he would play within these rules as he wouldn't see the field if he didn't. The question isn't whether or not he could play within these current rules , but whether or not they would at all hinder his performance. I think it would to some extent, but not to where he wouldn't be a great player still.
     
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    Worth a listen, a Pat P classic
     
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    Yeah I can't believe anyone would even make the argument.

    Aeneas was just so damn good. Anyone remember the longest fumble recovery for a TD in NFL history? Aeneas scooped up a fumble by Stephen Davis and returned it for 108 yards.
     
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    Game set and match
     
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    He was just such a complete corner. Great against the run, shutdown corner, top interception man, forced fumbles. Peterson also had a stretch where he was good, whereas Aeneas was great from year 3 until he switched to safety.
     
  11. CardsSunsDbacks

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    I'm not even trying to make the comparison like some in here have. I think it is a fools errand to try and argue that PP is on AW's level, let alone better. My arguments are more in the vein that I don't think it is as far apart as some may think (specifically talking about coverage capabilities) and that is largely because PP is playing under a different more strict set of rules.
     
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    yup. Aeneas was basically a bigger Honey Badger pre-ACL injuries. His toughness, cover skills, nose for the ball were unparalleled. The only CB in the game better than him was Deion.

    Had he been on Dallas, Redskins, Niners or Giants people would have talked about him as one of the all-time greats. Hell... he still made the All-Decade team playing on a Cards team who were over .500 ONCE in ten years... and that team was 9-7.
     
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    If you want an example of how the rules have changed things like interceptions than look at these numbers.

    In 2019 the average pass attempts per team were 557.9 and there was a total of 410 interceptions thrown.

    Here are the numbers in the 90s (Average pass attempts/total interceptions): 1990 482.7 / 480, 1991 498.2 / 488, 1992 478.9 / 519, 1993 514.8 / 469, 1994 537.7 / 474, 1995 556.6 / 512, 1996 532.2 / 542, 1997 524.3 / 479, 1998 516.3 / 509, 1999 540.6 / 562.

    As you can see from those numbers every single one of those years averaged less pass attempts than 2019 (2019 was actually a slow year in that regard compared to some other years in the 2010s), but yet still always had significantly more interceptions thrown.

    Also keep in mind that from 1990-94 there were only 28 teams (32 less total games played across the league), 1995-98 there were 30 teams (16 less total games) and 1999 there were 31 teams (8 less total games). Imagine if those same averages kept up with 32 teams all 10 years.

    Point is that the way the game has changed in terms of rules has made intercepting the ball as much as in the past nearly impossible. So gone are the days of top CBs having careers with 50+ interceptions.
     
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    Yes AW was great and guess what? So is Patrick Peterson. Last I checked both guys are on an NFL all decade team

    Jesus Christ last I checked both these guys are Arizona Cardinal legends. No other board on this site does this.

    God: Hey Cardinal fans your gonna draft a guy in the first round next year who’s gonna go to 8 pro bowls and be voted to the NFL’s all decade team. Would that make you happy?

    ASFN posters: NO...
     
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    You don’t have anything, other than your opinion, to say Aeneas would be better than PP.

    Just like my opinion that, iirc the first CB to be a all pro his first 7 years, would be better.
     

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