What would a future be without Kyler?

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Instead the Cardinals have been saying they love him but then are silent about extending him which creates a void that people fill in with their own narrative.


but, Mike B talked about a Murray extension on ~Feb 25 or so -- relevant stuff starts at 10:30 in or so:

https://www.azcardinals.com/audio/michael-bidwill-newsmakers-interview-on-arizona-sports-98-7-fm

Per Mike B: K1s part of the long term plan, extensions like these get done in the summer so we have time

we also know that they had a proposal from Kyler's agent in hand when he said that -- so he had a sense of the ask.

that sure set the expectation in my mind that that they will extend him prior to the season. Maybe i read his statements wrong.
 

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Your avatar is why I don't believe we will be bale to put the talent around Kyler. He just isn't good enough.
That’s fair. I think sometimes you can just luck or stumble into a great draft class that sets you up for the next decade even if you stub your toe every year that follows.

That’s basically what happened with t
Seattle.
 

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but, Mike B talked about a Murray extension on ~Feb 25 or so -- relevant stuff starts at 10:30 in or so:

https://www.azcardinals.com/audio/michael-bidwill-newsmakers-interview-on-arizona-sports-98-7-fm

Per Mike B: K1s part of the long term plan, extensions like these get done in the summer so we have time

we also know that they had a proposal from Kyler's agent in hand when he said that -- so he had a sense of the ask.

that sure set the expectation in my mind that that they will extend him prior to the season. Maybe i read his statements wrong.
So Mike B laid out the plan, but KM/KM's Agent still pushed the issue?
 

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To answer the thread's original question, it would be no different with or without him. Don't ever forget, we are the Cardinals, and will remain the same old Cards at least as long as Keim is here.
 

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To answer the thread's original question, it would be no different with or without him. Don't ever forget, we are the Cardinals, and will remain the same old Cards at least as long as Keim is here.
The "same old Cardinals" predates Keim and will likely be a thing long after he's gone.
 

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The "same old Cardinals" predates Keim and will likely be a thing long after he's gone.

The thing is, it's clearly not "The same old Cardinals". The win loss record the last 10 years is way above the franchises historic record.

4 of the franchises top 6 seasons ever have come in the last 10 years.

In the 100+ year history of the franchise 24% of it's playoff games have come in it's last 10 years. 59% has come in the last 14 years.

For the first time in history they have a young franchise QB (and no, they aren't doing anything to screw that up).

I understand many fans have battered wife syndrome but this isn't the "same old Cards". This is the best 10 year period of Cardinals football ever.
 

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Arians did a great job of extinguishing that for awhile. All the old "same old" tropes you could rely on disappeared. Always lose when you're supposed to win. Only win when you're supposed to lose. Too cheap to pay free agents. There were many.

When the Kolb Cardinals beat NE in 2012 at NE, I picked AZ in my football pool. My friends thought I was crazy. But I knew. You could rely on it once a year. Once Arians took over, all those tropes disappeared. The Cardinals were a "normal" football team.

Once Arians left, the same old vibe slowly crept its way back. I guess some things are in your DNA. Nature vs nurture.
 

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The thing is, it's clearly not "The same old Cardinals". The win loss record the last 10 years is way above the franchises historic record.

4 of the franchises top 6 seasons ever have come in the last 10 years.

In the 100+ year history of the franchise 24% of it's playoff games have come in it's last 10 years. 59% has come in the last 14 years.

For the first time in history they have a young franchise QB (and no, they aren't doing anything to screw that up).

I understand many fans have battered wife syndrome but this isn't the "same old Cards". This is the best 10 year period of Cardinals football ever.
We're still able to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory better than most teams.
 

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Sad!

IMO Kyler can be a guy, even if he doesn't make another leap, who will keep you having winning seasons and every once in a while catch lightening in a bottle and get you to the promised land.

In 15 seasons with the Saints, Drew Brees had five losing records, and they were all 7-9 seasons. They went to the playoffs nine times and won the Super Bowl once.

Seems like a fun time to me.
Also, I am probably being a little dramatic. I feel like a kid who was so excited to go to Disney and am now just waiting in line for 4 hours for rides. I just didn't think the Cardinals having a young QB would be like this. lol Chiefs and Bills make it look so easy.
 

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Also, I am probably being a little dramatic. I feel like a kid who was so excited to go to Disney and am now just waiting in line for 4 hours for rides. I just didn't think the Cardinals having a young QB would be like this. lol Chiefs and Bills make it look so easy.
Yeah. My foundational NFL experience was the 98 Cards and the late 90s/Early 00 Bucs. Everything after the Cards playoff game basically sucked, but those Tampa teams under Dungy with Mike Alstott, Ronde Barber, Warren Sapp, etc. were so good and fun to me.

I don't think that Jon Gruden made much of a difference in their reaching the Super Bowl, I think that the dice just kind of fell their way that time.

Just be happy that our young QB didn't end up being Sam Darnold.
 

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Also, I am probably being a little dramatic. I feel like a kid who was so excited to go to Disney and am now just waiting in line for 4 hours for rides. I just didn't think the Cardinals having a young QB would be like this. lol Chiefs and Bills make it look so easy.

This is a good analogy.

Kyler is leaching all the fun out of having a young, talented franchise QB by having so many questions about aspects of his personality and leadership. And now all this contract nonsense.
 

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Also, I am probably being a little dramatic. I feel like a kid who was so excited to go to Disney and am now just waiting in line for 4 hours for rides. I just didn't think the Cardinals having a young QB would be like this. lol Chiefs and Bills make it look so easy.
That’s a great analogy. It’s exactly how I feel.
 

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