Warner says Palmer is best fit for us

[dreamcastrocks]

Really, umm he had one season lost to injury and has started every game the following two seasons so injury isn't an issue. Age??? he's 31 years old, that is prime for a QB, he will be very good for the next 5 years and is the type of QB you build a franchise around. Every Bengal fan I know is very unhappy he no longer wants to play there. He is a top 10 QB in the NFL.

He is no longer top 10. I could easily name 10 other QBs that are better than him right now.

Even with that, I'll take him though.

 

[Shane]

Really, umm he had one season lost to injury and has started every game the following two seasons so injury isn't an issue. Age??? he's 31 years old, that is prime for a QB, he will be very good for the next 5 years and is the type of QB you build a franchise around. Every Bengal fan I know is very unhappy he no longer wants to play there. He is a top 10 QB in the NFL.

Yes really.. His arm is nowhere near what it used to be which is likely the main reason for his Int's last year. While 31 isnt technically that old. It isnt young either especially for a QB who had to have his throwing elbow reconstructed just 2 years ago. Way to big a risk.


Top 10? I could legitimately argue that all of these guys I would rather have before Palmer.

Philip Rivers
Peyton Manning
Drew Brees
Matt Schaub
Eli Manning
Aaron Rodgers
Tom Brady
Matt Ryan
Joe Flacco
Sam Bradford
Josh Freeman
Mark Sanchez
Jay Cutler
Ben Roethlisberger
Matt Cassel
Michael Vick

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Yes really.. His arm is nowhere near what it used to be which is likely the main reason for his Int's last year. While 31 isnt technically that old. It isnt young either especially for a QB who had to have his throwing elbow reconstructed just 2 years ago. Way to big a risk.


Top 10? I could legitimately argue that all of these guys I would rather have before Palmer.

Philip Rivers
Peyton Manning
Drew Brees
Matt Schaub
Eli Manning
Aaron Rodgers
Tom Brady
Matt Ryan
Joe Flacco
Sam Bradford
Josh Freeman
Mark Sanchez
Jay Cutler
Ben Roethlisberger
Matt Cassel
Michael Vick

Amen, top 10 is ridiculous.

 

[jlove]

Out of the available (presumed availability of) QB's, i think I'd have the least worry with Palmer, then Hasselbeck then Kolb.....however, someone asked what leverage Cincy has in a deal involving Palmer..........They have all the leverage. They've already said they want Palmer to remain with the Bengals. Palmer is the one demanding a trade or threat of retirement. The Bengals have said that he wil either play for them or they will wait out his retirement rather than trade him. So, it would take a bit of convincing to get them to agree to a trade. It might take them seeing Dalton in full practice doing very well, for them to hand him the starting minutes and open to trading Palmer.

 

[Duckjake]

Believe it or not we are the ones that are desperate. The Bengals have all the leverage.

A 3rd and a RB which is just about the easiest position on the field to replace for a 3 to 5 year fix with a franchise QB is hardly over paying. It just isn't.

Then why, after 25 years, have the Cards not been able to replace Ottis Anderson?

 

[Mulli]

Then why, after 25 years, have the Cards not been able to replace Ottis Anderson?

You keep jinxing them. Please continue to non-jinx this years' draftees.

 

[Russ Smith]

Yes really.. His arm is nowhere near what it used to be which is likely the main reason for his Int's last year. While 31 isnt technically that old. It isnt young either especially for a QB who had to have his throwing elbow reconstructed just 2 years ago. Way to big a risk.

Unless I'm remembering wrong he didn't have the surgery, he chose to rest and rehab it instead?

http://network.yardbarker.com/nfl/a...fident_as_he_rehabs_from_elbow_surgery/951500

Tests found that he had partially torn a ligament and a tendon from the bone. He chose to let the elbow heal with time and treatment rather than having reconstructive surgery. He's been throwing full speed during the offseason.

Maybe that changed I don't recall personally I wish he HAD the surgery, it was going to be Tommy John surgery and if you pay any attention at all to baseball you know that surgery is so common now there are actually kids in the minors who are having it electively, as in nothing wrong with the elbow but they have the surgery, because it generally results in picking up like 5MPH on a fastball.

I recall thinking at the time Palmer should have had it so his arm would be even stronger.

 

[THESMEL]

Trading the bean is as stupid as cutting Matt for hall. They probably will

 

[moklerman]

Yes really.. His arm is nowhere near what it used to be which is likely the main reason for his Int's last year. While 31 isnt technically that old. It isnt young either especially for a QB who had to have his throwing elbow reconstructed just 2 years ago. Way to big a risk.

I thought Palmer specifically decided against surgery on the elbow? Let it heal naturally instead of having Tommy John surgery.

I think if he gets traded anywhere, the Seahawks would be willing to spend more than the Cardinals if it came down to those two teams.

Whether or not he's top 10, I think it's important to remember that we're talking about a QB who had an "off" year and still completed 61.8% and 26 TD.

That's not too far off of what Warner did his last year(66.1% and 26 TD) and that production was good enough for a playoff win. Palmer throwing untimely interceptions shouldn't necessarily be considered what he "is" at this point either. Again using Warner as a reference, '05 & '06 saw him doing the exact same thing.

My point being, throw a QB off of his game in one area and it will eventually have a ripple effect on his entire production. If Palmer had no trust in his receivers to be in the right place, it could easily have put him in a place where he was waiting for them to get open instead of throwing the ball on time. Then throw in all the dropped passes and I can easily see his head being a mess.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

I had some uproarious debate a couple months back with someone about Orton Vs Palmer and I am glad many Card fans are seeing what I do with Palmer.

He put up numbers (look to Russ's earlier post) we would have KILLED for last year.....

A) Playing outside 14 times
B) Playing in a cold weather city and a cold weather division
C) Playing the Steelers and Ravens 4 times
D) Playing with the two most screwed up WR's of our generation
E) Behind a porous offensive line
F) And for a TERRIBLE OC

Oh yeah and all that was for one of the most fundamentally screwed up franchises over the past 20 years.

I will admit I have watched Carson over the past 2 years and thought "damn he lost what he had" but I also think environment plays a huge role in any QB's overall play, and while we are not the Pats - playing closer to home, for a better HC/OC (Can't wait until someone duplictes this whole post and then decides to refute this one sentence because they don't like Wiz and saying "Warner and Big Ben did it on their own!") in a better stadium, throwing to the premier WR in the game (also one of the best guys in the league) IN THE NFC WEST - logic tells you he would play alot better.

And the division is the biggest piece. In this division, Palmer immediatly makes us the favorite IMHO. Rams are still multiple players away (and Bradford will regress a bit next year learning a new system and because after Year 1everyones got tons of tape on you - happened to Matt Ryan too), the Seahawks might then end up with Kolb but im nto scared of that with that team and the weapons they have, and the Niners are pinning their hopes on the crap combo of Kapernick and Alex Smith.

And your telling me Palmer doesn't win us THAT division? Especially if Horton and Peterson are the truth we think they are.

Sign me up. Come back to the West Coast Carson. You very well could be Warner Part Deux.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

I had some uproarious debate a couple months back with someone about Orton Vs Palmer and I am glad many Card fans are seeing what I do with Palmer.

He put up numbers (look to Russ's earlier post) we would have KILLED for last year.....

A) Playing outside 14 times
B) Playing in a cold weather city and a cold weather division
C) Playing the Steelers and Ravens 4 times
D) Playing with the two most screwed up WR's of our generation
E) Behind a porous offensive line
F) And for a TERRIBLE OC

Oh yeah and all that was for one of the most fundamentally screwed up franchises over the past 20 years.

I will admit I have watched Carson over the past 2 years and thought "damn he lost what he had" but I also think environment plays a huge role in any QB's overall play, and while we are not the Pats - playing closer to home, for a better HC/OC (Can't wait until someone duplictes this whole post and then decides to refute this one sentence because they don't like Wiz and saying "Warner and Big Ben did it on their own!") in a better stadium, throwing to the premier WR in the game (also one of the best guys in the league) IN THE NFC WEST - logic tells you he would play alot better.

And the division is the biggest piece. In this division, Palmer immediatly makes us the favorite IMHO. Rams are still multiple players away (and Bradford will regress a bit next year learning a new system and because after Year 1everyones got tons of tape on you - happened to Matt Ryan too), the Seahawks might then end up with Kolb but im nto scared of that with that team and the weapons they have, and the Niners are pinning their hopes on the crap combo of Kapernick and Alex Smith.

And your telling me Palmer doesn't win us THAT division? Especially if Horton and Peterson are the truth we think they are.

Sign me up. Come back to the West Coast Carson. You very well could be Warner Part Deux.

At least we only have E,F, and G...

 

[Duckjake]

You keep jinxing them. Please continue to non-jinx this years' draftees.

Worst draft since 2002, especially that RB. 6 carries for 10 yards against Duke! None of those guys will amount to anything.

Even getting Palmer won't help.

 

[Goldfield]

I would trade Beanie and a 3rd in a heart beat. I would do Beanie and a second no problem.

Palmer would be he best move IMO. He is very good. Proven, and still has 4-7 years left to play.

 

[BurqueCardFan]

I would not trade any of our young guys. This talk about trading DRC and/or Beanie is crazy. Even if it nets us a QB, it is basically one step forward and two steps back. You need multiple good RB's in today's NFL. Look how many RB's teams like GB, Saint's or NE have gone through last year. They probably wouldnt have made the run they did with only 1 or 2 good backs. Same is true for DB's. GB had to use several reserves after Woodson went down. I would rather trade 2nd or 3rd round pick for a QB

 

[Shane]

I would not trade any of our young guys. This talk about trading DRC and/or Beanie is crazy. Even if it nets us a QB, it is basically one step forward and two steps back. You need multiple good RB's in today's NFL. Look how many RB's teams like GB, Saint's or NE have gone through last year. They probably wouldnt have made the run they did with only 1 or 2 good backs. Same is true for DB's. GB had to use several reserves after Woodson went down. I would rather trade 2nd or 3rd round pick for a QB

Sorry but you are flat out nuts. Getting a proven franchise QB the MOST important position on the field by far is in no way shape or form one step forward and two steps back. In fact it would be more like 10 steps forward and zero steps back. It's nit even debateable to be honest.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

My question is do the Bengals have interest in beanie because he played at TOSU?

Mike Brown loves OSU. I think that could factor into it. I'm not sure I want to give up on Wells. He's too talented. It's hard to base anything off of last year's offense with the garbage we had at QB. I would just as soon offer our #1 to Cincy and Philly. First one to take the offer, gets it. Just because Ryan Williams was drafted doesn't mean he's going to be anything special.

 

[82CardsGrad]

Mike Brown loves OSU. I think that could factor into it. I'm not sure I want to give up on Wells. He's too talented. It's hard to base anything off of last year's offense with the garbage we had at QB. I would just as soon offer our #1 to Cincy and Philly. First one to take the offer, gets it. Just because Ryan Williams was drafted doesn't mean he's going to be anything special.

Yea... Beanie certainly illustrates that point...

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Yea... Beanie certainly illustrates that point...

I'll bet you alot of Raider fans were saying the same thing about McFadden after 2 years. It would be stupid to get rid of Wells right now.

 

[Shane]

I'll bet you alot of Raider fans were saying the same thing about McFadden after 2 years. It would be stupid to get rid of Wells right now.

It would in no way be stupid if it nets us a franchise QB.

 

[82CardsGrad]

It would in no way be stupid if it nets us a franchise QB.

This.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

It would in no way be stupid if it nets us a franchise QB.

I can see that but I think a draft pick is enough for those 2.

 

[82CardsGrad]

I'll bet you alot of Raider fans were saying the same thing about McFadden after 2 years. It would be stupid to get rid of Wells right now.

McFadden has had one decent year thus far. He still has a TON to prove.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

McFadden has had one decent year thus far. He still has a TON to prove.

Right, but he broke out in his 3rd year after being called a bust for 2 years. Wells had a pretty good last 1/2 of his rookie year and was hurt last year. Plus, the QB play would make any running game hard to judge. The defense could play 12 in the box and Anderson was 50/50 to complete the pass. I just think it's way way too early to give up on Wells. This year is the make or break year for him, to me.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Right, but he broke out in his 3rd year after being called a bust for 2 years. Wells had a pretty good last 1/2 of his rookie year and was hurt last year. Plus, the QB play would make any running game hard to judge. The defense could play 12 in the box and Anderson was 50/50 to complete the pass. I just think it's way way too early to give up on Wells. This year is the make or break year for him, to me.

Im with you Bus. I still think he would be the feature back in a Williams/Wells back field. He just hasn't started his career in the way we expected, but I also think he was hurt and didn't have the best support around him last year. Everyone knows his rookie year he had flashes of being special.

I think Cinnci would be smart to bring him back home but I am not sure I want to give up on him.

But we need a QB so if Beanie nets us that, I can live with that.

 

[mjb21aztd]

be better than int td hall, or scud anderson pull the triger. Just please don't do anything like trade drc and a first for kolb like in the earlier rumor. I would just find it so weak we draft Peterson than trade away DRC I would be so ticked. Plus I just brought a drc jersey like 2 weeks ago....lol