Warner says Palmer is best fit for us

[john h]

That's my point. Coming off that season, plus Palmer's obvious disdain for the entire organization, plus Andy Dalton means Beanie plus a 3rd is just too much IMO. Every team knows this, and will be submitting lowball offers. A 3rd plus a 5th won't get it done?

I think Palmer has to much pride to ever go back on his promise to never play for the Bengals again. I tend to believe what he said. Both Palmer and Hassleback have shown brillance before and who is to say they cannot do it again. Chances are they will not be a Kurt Warner but at least we do know they once were very very good and both are younger than Kurt when he arrived. I am for one of these two. Kolb is last on my list.

 

[moklerman]

As discussed earlier, Palmer's head may have been severely screwed up with the T.Ocho tandem mouthing things up in the huddle. Didn't look at the numbers before but thought they were a nice example that supports the idea that Palmer might still have some good football left in him if he's in the right environment:

Palmers stat's the last 3 games of 2010 where Owens wasn't on the field at all and Ocho missed 2+ games:

62/89 69.7% 783yds(8.8ypa) 5TD(5.6%) 2INT(2.2%) rating 106.1

Pretty gaudy in all areas.

 

[Pariah]

As discussed earlier, Palmer's head may have been severely screwed up with the T.Ocho tandem mouthing things up in the huddle.

So long as he doesn't go to an NFCW rival, I sure hope so. I like Palmer, and would love to see him redeem himself...but man, he just didn't look good last year.

 

[moklerman]

So long as he doesn't go to an NFCW rival, I sure hope so. I like Palmer, and would love to see him redeem himself...but man, he just didn't look good last year.

He sure sounds like he wants to be back on the west coast which would mean the 49ers. Which would not make me happy. Seattle I could deal with but not the 49ers.

 

[kerouac9]

Warner was brought in to compete w/ McCown in 2005 and won the starting job, while Leinart was still at USC. Warner was still the QB in 2006 when he was drafted until 4 games into the season when his fumblitis continued to haunt him.

The major differences are that Palmer is not in Warner's league and injury circumstances.

You are trying to compare a good QB to a HoFer. When you compare the most productive seasons for both, Warner averaged more TDs, more yards, more yards per attempt and fewer interceptions. And this is with both having two pro bowl receivers on their respective teams (Holt and Bruce - Ocho and Housh). Unless Palmer lights it up from this point forward on a consistent basis, he wont even be considered for the HoF. Not even in 40 years. Warner is a first or second ballot; easy.

As for injuries, the only major injury that Warner suffered was a torn tendon in his thumb (or something along those lines). Palmer had both major knee and Tommy John surgery; both of which carry lingering affects and have undoubtedly diminished his productiveness.

Dont get me wrong, he is a good QB and has the potential to do better in a dome atmosphere in an easier division, but he wont reach Warner's status. The only given is he is 4 times the QB Anderson is and ever was.

FWIW, Warner was (IMO) not a Hall of Famer were it not for the '08 and '09 seasons. Warner was the beneficiary of a great personal story and a revolutionary offense that Vermeil and Martz brought to the NFL. Warner also played indoors or in good weather for the vast majority of his game with St. Louis and with Arizona.

Take Warner and put him in the elements, and he looks like a much less extraordinary quarterback. Say, in the Meadowlands.

Palmer only had TO and Ochocinco for one season, when both were on the steep downsides of their careers. If you want to count Chad Johnson and Houshmanzadeh as pro-bowl caliber WRs, that's fine. But Warner was working with no fewer than three Hall of Famers in that St. Louis offense, and likely four if you count Orlando Pace at LT. Palmer has never had the talent around him (both on the field and on the sideline) as Warner has.

Comparisons between Warner and Palmer don't make a ton of sense to me--it's apples and oranges. What I think Palmer could be good at is providing production from the QB position while allowing the offense to transition to more of a pro style with an emphasis on the running attack (if that is indeed what we want to do--something I have doubts about).

I wonder if Warner changed his tune because Marc Bulger decided that he kind of likes being a backup and doesn't want to get hit anymore.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

FWIW, Warner was (IMO) not a Hall of Famer were it not for the '08 and '09 seasons. Warner was the beneficiary of a great personal story and a revolutionary offense that Vermeil and Martz brought to the NFL. Warner also played indoors or in good weather for the vast majority of his game with St. Louis and with Arizona.

Take Warner and put him in the elements, and he looks like a much less extraordinary quarterback. Say, in the Meadowlands.

Palmer only had TO and Ochocinco for one season, when both were on the steep downsides of their careers. If you want to count Chad Johnson and Houshmanzadeh as pro-bowl caliber WRs, that's fine. But Warner was working with no fewer than three Hall of Famers in that St. Louis offense, and likely four if you count Orlando Pace at LT. Palmer has never had the talent around him (both on the field and on the sideline) as Warner has.

Comparisons between Warner and Palmer don't make a ton of sense to me--it's apples and oranges. What I think Palmer could be good at is providing production from the QB position while allowing the offense to transition to more of a pro style with an emphasis on the running attack (if that is indeed what we want to do--something I have doubts about).

I wonder if Warner changed his tune because Marc Bulger decided that he kind of likes being a backup and doesn't want to get hit anymore.

You made me do it TJ. I gotta agree with K9 on this one.

You couldn't have paid someone to take Kurt Warner back when he came to the desert. That had Emmitt Smith written all over it at the time.

Palmer's a much better bet then Warner was at the time, when you take out the benefit of hindsight.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Palmer for a 3rd is marginally more appealing to me than Kolb for a 2nd. Palmer also has a huge contract, but the length is shorter. We'll still need to look for a qb of the future, but the cost is less. For those who watched him a lot, Palmer's play last year was pretty frightening, even considering the two stooges.

It's the two stooges that made it frightening. Palmer's play improved appreciably when they were both out of the mix. And, Kolb is not going for a second round pick - IMO - someone will give up a first.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

. And, Kolb is not going for a second round pick - IMO - someone will give up a first.

Totally agree, I was stating my preference, which I doubt the Eagles will take into consideration.

At this point, (assuming media assumptions are correct) if our options are Kolb for a 1st, Palmer for a 2nd, or Orton for a 3rd, I'd prefer Palmer, then Orton, then Kolb.

 

[Pariah]

At this point, (assuming media assumptions are correct) if our options are Kolb for a 1st, Palmer for a 2nd, or Orton for a 3rd, I'd prefer Palmer, then Orton, then Kolb.

If that's the going rate (and wouldn't it be nice if it were that tidy), then I have no preference. Those are balanced scales, IMO.

EDIT: I take it back, I think I'd prefer either Orton or Kolb in that case. A second for Palmer seems to err just slightly on the side of risk, IMO.

 

[Lefty]

I say no to Orton and no to Bulger.

 

[Russ Smith]

Hey TJ did you ever find that article? I was talking to a USC fan this weekend and he said he'd bet his house that Palmer didn't have the surgery.

A house in Hermosa Beach sounds good to me.

 

[kerouac9]

Hey TJ did you ever find that article? I was talking to a USC fan this weekend and he said he'd bet his house that Palmer didn't have the surgery.

A house in Hermosa Beach sounds good to me.

It's on the same website where Max Hall's agent said he got multiple offers for more money from other teams. People in glass houses, Russ...

 

[JCSunsfan]

Then why, after 25 years, have the Cards not been able to replace Ottis Anderson?

Because the Cardinals TEAMs have been so bad that they are always playing from way behind and therefore throwing the ball rather than running.

 

[john h]

So is a 1st for Kolb ok??? I mean he hasn't done squat. Kolb is "Potential" Palmer is "Proven". That's like Intangible vs Tangible which is why we started Max Hall for six games, why we started Anderson, cut Leinhart, and why it took us forever to get Skelton behind center. Screw Potential I'll take proven everyday. Palmer is durable, and only has two starting season with less that 20 TD and an 86 career QB ratings, he is our starter for 5 years and his contract is not bad compared to what we could be paying another QB. He makes every throw and if we sign him Sam Bradford isn't the best QB in our division anymore.

You can be sure Kolb is nothing more than potential with little experience. If we expect to try and make the playoffs we need someone who has done it before and is more than potential.

 

[Duckjake]

Because the Cardinals TEAMs have been so bad that they are always playing from way behind and therefore throwing the ball rather than running.

No. The Cards just love to throw the ball and are clueless when it comes to running it.

They finished last in rushing attempts in 2008 and 2009 when they were always way ahead. In 2009 they struggled to close out games because they couldn't run the football.

Just look at their leading rushers. Johnny Johnson, LeShon Johnson, Ron Moore, Michael Pittman, Marcel Shipp, Leland McElroy. Earl Ferrell a FB! Two end of career vets: Emmit and Edge.

They drafted a guy in the first round who has run for over 10,000 yards in his NFL career, one of only 25 guys to do that, and never led the Cardinals in rushing.

They drafted another guy in the first round who rushed for 30 TDs in his NFL career. He only scored 3 of those for Arizona.