Vikings @ Cardinals postgame thread

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Did we only have three penalties against us? The two false starts in our opening drive (compulsory) and roughing the kicker later?

There was a holding on AJ Green when we almost turned it over on Moore strip.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Not sure how Kyler thinks this is a TD without the small (and late) helmet grab. The safety is always in a better position to get the ball than Kirk.

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Exactly. It was a terrible read by kyler. And that ball is pretty directly to the receiver - the face mask (and absolutely there was a face mask and it should’ve been a penalty didn’t impact the throw much, if at all.

 

[Adrian]

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[Adrian]

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[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Unless he is leading Kirk back into the end zone and the facemask made him short it.

When I did the rewatch I was blown away how blatant that facemask was.

He was bracketed, front and back, by defenders so again I’m gonna say I have no idea what kyler is talking about.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

In my opinion Vance sent them out there with the wrong plan.

I think, like many of us, that he thought his game plan vs the Titans would work vs the Vikings and that they could be aggressive on the pass rush vs guys like Hill.

That zone blocking scheme and the way Cook runs is a whole different kettle of fish. It's much tougher to hold your ground and guys were being swept aside. Credit for changing it up but I think a lot of the bad performance was down to bad planning.

It’s why I poo-poo’ed our success last week as an indicator of success this week. Henry and cook, as I pointed out, are much different beasts. Can’t gear your defense against both in the same fashion.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

The end result felt very much like the Bills game - eeking out a game that we probably shouldn't have won. Hopefully the team understands this and will respond in a much different way this year.

 

[Weenus O'Baggins]

Nice discussion from Cowherd

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[cardncubfan]

Suddenly signing Jones to a ridiculous contract takes a back seat...

Not sure why. He still deserves a decent contract & definitely don't want to let him walk after this year.

 

[Adrian]

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[daves]

Yeah, of all the things people have nitpicked, this one has gone pretty unnoticed. Not crazy that he thinks that’s a good play regardless of the helmet swipe. The DB read that all the way and he was late on it.

My memory of the play had me agreeing with those who have been questioning Murray's belief that the play would've been a TD absent the helmet grab. But after re-watching the highlight of that play several times, i can see why he might be right.

First of all, the helmet grab does look as though it affects the trajectory of the ball. It happens while Murray's arm is still moving forward with the ball.

And by the time the camera pans downfield, Kirk is sandwiched between two defenders. But it looks as though Kirk and the deeper defender have just changed course to come back to the ball, allowing the shallower defender to catch up to them.

It's possible that if the ball had gone on its intended trajectory, Kirk could've caught it in stride running left, in front of the deeper defender and well ahead of the trailing defender.

The all-22 should be enlightening.



...dave

 

[BritCard]

I said in the game thread this wasn't on P2

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[SoonerLou]

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[Adrian]

Mike Zimmer: Lots of kickers miss field goals, give Greg Joseph a break

Vikings coach Mike Zimmer said after Greg Joseph missed a 37-yard game-deciding field goal on Sunday that it should have been “an easy one.” But a day later, Zimmer indicated that Joseph is not on the hot seat. Zimmer said that Joseph is still a good kicker, and that one game is not enough to [more]

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[Krangodnzr]

I said in the game thread this wasn't on P2

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Doesn't look like it, no.

The play design worked.

 

[Chopper0080]

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That is LB instincts. He followed the motion instead to seeing the TE pulling across the formation. Live and learn.

 

[BritCard]

That is LB instincts. He followed the motion instead to seeing the TE pulling across the formation. Live and learn.

I can't wait to see Simmons when he picks up those instincts. I had doubts he ever would but he seems on the right path.

 

[Arz101]

Against the grain:

May be Cardinals offense needs to get atleast two 6-7+ min drives every game to keep defense fresh and not expose the under manned secondary and poor run blocking?

 

[Adrian]

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[Krangodnzr]

Against the grain:

May be Cardinals offense needs to get atleast two 6-7+ min drives every game to keep defense fresh and not expose the under manned secondary and poor run blocking?

Fake news on the secondary. They have been fine.

 

[Shane]

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This was a really good play by aj he showed some explosion and toughness.

 

[Cheesebeef]

This was a really good play by aj he showed some explosions and toughness.

Yup. That play gave me a little hope that he could be a really solid role player. Hopefully we see more of this moving forward.

 

[Shane]

Full game replay tonight at 10 nfl network just FYI

 

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