the "What Ended Season 2022?" thread

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yes, if you want to compare an entire historic season and 7 terrific playoff wins against 1 or 2 awful playoff games that may have been riddled with a virus whose #1 symptom is fatigue

7 Terrific playoff wins? There was maybe 1-2 "terrific" wins in which this Suns team played to their potential. I'd say game 2 vs Dallas when the offense took turns spanking Luka. The other was game 6 in the NO series, when CP3 was perfect from the field.

The bottom line is they faced inferior teams and choked. They were viewed as a title favorite while the Pelicans were a play-in team that took them to 6 games and the Mavericks had never won a playoff series with Luka before yet happened to ride a wave of luck with the Jazz and Suns imploding during their series with them, which opened a path to the conference finals.


You can repeat your "We were 1 game from the conference finals" nonsense but after watching the 82 games this season and the first 2 Mavericks games, it never should have come down to 1 game. We lost 4 of 5 to an inferior team. It doesn't matter why, there are no asterisks in sports, especially in the 2nd round.
 

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7 Terrific playoff wins? There was maybe 1-2 "terrific" wins in which this Suns team played to their potential. I'd say game 2 vs Dallas when the offense took turns spanking Luka. The other was game 6 in the NO series, when CP3 was perfect from the field.

The bottom line is they faced inferior teams and choked. They were viewed as a title favorite while the Pelicans were a play-in team that took them to 6 games and the Mavericks had never won a playoff series with Luka before yet happened to ride a wave of luck with the Jazz and Suns imploding during their series with them, which opened a path to the conference finals.


You can repeat your "We were 1 game from the conference finals" nonsense but after watching the 82 games this season and the first 2 Mavericks games, it never should have come down to 1 game. We lost 4 of 5 to an inferior team. It doesn't matter why, there are no asterisks in sports, especially in the 2nd round.
I guess we're all different on this because it certainly matters to me.

Knowing it might have been Covid that sidelined this team doesn't do away the simple fact we finished the postseason in an embarrassing fashion. But it does mean we don't necessarily have to throw our hands up and start all over.

So, AFAIC, it's probably the best news I can think of given our situation. It doesn't change the past but it gives me more hope for the future.
 
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every playoff win is terrific!

every playoff win is terrific

and we've had 21 of them in 2 seasons
-- compared to ZERO for many years before

the irony is that all those seasons when all we competed for was top lottery picks,
the same posters who were aggressively harassing me for my criticism of coach Kokoskov and Booker's leadership problems are the same posters who are now dead set on crucifying this team
regardless of all their success and any and all mitigating factors that contributed to them falling short of a championship
 
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every playoff win is terrific!
and we've had 21 of them in 2 seasons

compared to ZERO for many years before

the irony is that all those seasons when all we competed for was top lottery picks,
the same posters who were aggressively harassing me for my criticism of coach Kokoskov and Booker's leadership problems are the same posters who are now dead set on crucifying this team
regardless of all there success and any and all mitigating factors
Wrong. Speaking for myself as one of the people you keep attacking, I was trashing Igor early and often. You’re creating false narratives to continue to try and pick fights and it’s getting very tiresome.

And again, speaking for myself, I heaped nothing but praise upon this team for two years until they either choked like dogs or worse, decided to just be trash human beings and put large amounts of others at risk playing with Covid. Either way, they deserve a heap of criticism.
 

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I guess we're all different on this because it certainly matters to me.

Knowing it might have been Covid that sidelined this team doesn't do away the simple fact we finished the postseason in an embarrassing fashion. But it does mean we don't necessarily have to throw our hands up and start all over.

So, AFAIC, it's probably the best news I can think of given our situation. It doesn't change the past but it gives me more hope for the future.

That's fine, I suppose, if that's you want to view this season and playoffs. I think it was one of the biggest missed opportunities and choke jobs in franchise history.

What I take issue with is someone trying to tell me that feeling that way is wrong. You're allowed to view it as you like and so am I. I don't believe you've pushed your own views on anyone and I've tried to do the same. I found it embarrassing and it made me question my own fandom. Whether the team had Covid or not doesn't really make it sting less because it's irresponsible to try and hide it because you wanted to play a basketball game. That makes me question their character in a whole new way.

Basically you're free to feel as you do and I am as well. We don't have to agree. Just don't tell me that my views are wrong because they don't align with yours. That's where I take issue. We're both able to explain why we feel how we do and agree to disagree.
 
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as i said, i am also critical of their handling of covid. but i also get the bigger picture -- that other teams, including the Pelicans, may have done the same thing, and that there were nearly a hundred thousand people in the arenas screaming, who were not tested, some carrying the virus, some sitting next to the benches

doing the right thing probably would have derailed the Suns season, and may have derailed the whole playoffs as well

that being said. i still wish they had tested immediately and went public

but someone calling them "trash human beings" is extremely judgemental,
as is claiming that they "chocked like dogs" regardless of the difficult circumstances
 

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I'm already in next season mode. I enjoy the game and watching the players.

Yes, the past season was a bitter disappointment but it's wise to carry a map of where you've been and where you are going.

The Suns have climbed from being irrelevant in 2018-19, to the Orlando bubble in 2019-20, to the Finals in 2020-21 and the second round of the playoffs in 2021-22 this season.

At least now success is expected.
 

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I'm already in next season mode. I enjoy the game and watching the players.

Yes, the past season was a bitter disappointment but it's wise to carry a map of where you've been and where you are going.

The Suns have climbed from being irrelevant in 2018-19, to the Orlando bubble in 2019-20, to the Finals in 2020-21 and the second round of the playoffs in 2021-22 this season.

At least now success is expected.

This is where I’m at.

Big offseason coming up.
 

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issues that would have been dismissed like a fart in the wind if they had won one more Dallas game.
issues like in the Pelicans series and last season in the Lakers' and Clippers' series untill we dumped them

"winning cures all ills"
"what have you done for me lately?"

one day/week the Suns were the greatest, then they were the worst.
these days we all like to pick a side

they were great AND awful this season. mostly great. in fact, historically great for Phoenix
They accomplished something only one other team has, then that team in turn did it to them. Historically great or not they also managed a historically bad collapse.
 
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