The sign of real problems

Ouchie-Z-Clown

I'm better than Mulli!
Joined
Sep 16, 2002
Posts
48,920
Reaction score
33,248
Location
SoCal
It dawned on me as I read the merry-go-round of posters posting the same thing over and over again in thread after thread how much a truly organization-wide issue exists with this team. It’s called Problems Everywhere.

We have vocal GROUPS of posters blaming our ills on:

Keim
Kliff
Vance
Bill Davis
Kyler
Our receivers
Our oline (and can’t even agree on who are the problems there)
Our d line
Our linebackers (and our coaches’ use or lack thereof of them)
Our cornerbacks
Injuries

And there are literally reasonable-to-very-good arguments being made about each and every one of these elements. And none of them are being made by just one poster diatribes. In other words, the Cardinals have effectively baffled an entire board of pretty knowledgeable, observant, interested fans if we can’t come close to at least a couple of consensus regarding the central issues.

Know what that tells me? Institutionwide issues. It’s likely a confluence of ALL of them to a degree that compound one and other. So the scary thing to me is that this likely isn’t just a matter of fixing one or two issues. Yes, doing so will improve the situation, but we’ll still be mired down by the gravity of those issues left unsolved. And yes, I know that the buck stops at Michael. But nothing is going to change there.

It’s a little maddening coming to this realization.
 

slanidrac16

ASFN Icon
Supporting Member
Joined
Jul 11, 2002
Posts
12,011
Reaction score
8,173
Location
Plainfield, Il.
We are in a state of limbo. We are not Bad enough to blow it all up” but not good enough to go for the gold.
In reality we really won’t be competing for the Lombardi trophy next year. There are to many holes to fix.

No cap space. So we will be forced once again to signing one year prove it deals to injured or older players.
Even if we have an outstanding draft it will not come to fruition in 2022.

Keim is the problem and Bidwill is the enabler. That ain’t gonna change. We will be fed the same old lines as the new year begins.

Just imagine next season if instead of starting 7-0 we stumble out of the gate 2-5.

Next season is going to be ugly.
 

Crimson Warrior

Dangerous Murray Zealot
Joined
Oct 27, 2002
Posts
5,958
Reaction score
3,122
Location
Home of the Thunder
It dawned on me as I read the merry-go-round of posters posting the same thing over and over again in thread after thread how much a truly organization-wide issue exists with this team. It’s called Problems Everywhere.

We have vocal GROUPS of posters blaming our ills on:

Keim
Kliff
Vance
Bill Davis
Kyler
Our receivers
Our oline (and can’t even agree on who are the problems there)
Our d line
Our linebackers (and our coaches’ use or lack thereof of them)
Our cornerbacks
Injuries

And there are literally reasonable-to-very-good arguments being made about each and every one of these elements. And none of them are being made by just one poster diatribes. In other words, the Cardinals have effectively baffled an entire board of pretty knowledgeable, observant, interested fans if we can’t come close to at least a couple of consensus regarding the central issues.

Know what that tells me? Institutionwide issues. It’s likely a confluence of ALL of them to a degree that compound one and other. So the scary thing to me is that this likely isn’t just a matter of fixing one or two issues. Yes, doing so will improve the situation, but we’ll still be mired down by the gravity of those issues left unsolved. And yes, I know that the buck stops at Michael. But nothing is going to change there.

It’s a little maddening coming to this realization.

I think you're on to something that the 1-5 crash-and-burn was more than the failing of just one specific part of the organization (i.e. one player, one coach, or one group of players like the WRs, etc.).

I guess usually in a situation like this, where's there's a system-wide failure, the first thing that happens is one person gets singled out and sacrificed as the proverbial scapegoat.
 

Mainstreet

Cruisin' Mainstreet
Supporting Member
Joined
Oct 19, 2003
Posts
90,799
Reaction score
29,421
A team can't change owners but they can change GMs.

I think that's where everything begins: from the draft, to the coaches and the player personnel.

Changes elsewhere are symptoms of the problem.
 

Chris_Sanders

Super Moderator
Super Moderator
Moderator
Supporting Member
Joined
Sep 14, 2002
Posts
32,339
Reaction score
16,125
Location
Scottsdale, Az
This is the issue.

Michael's strength is that he doesn't want to be his father but it's also his weakness. He frames everything in a historical sense rather than a current sense. Not having a losing reputation like his father is tantamount

Which means he values marginal success over the prior mean. So much so that he will dismiss or excuse deficiencies in his right hand man that he won't in his players.

Being good enough is an organizational issue. We have gotten his vision
 

cheesebeef

ASFN IDOL
Supporting Member
Joined
Jan 2, 2003
Posts
76,542
Reaction score
37,302
We’re going into the off-season with literally every starting skill position on offense a FA except for Nuk.

And that predicament is staring us in the face... while having next to no cap space.

That is ludicrous. Like next level atrocious team building, especially around a young QB.
 
Last edited:

Solar7

Go Suns
Joined
May 18, 2002
Posts
10,075
Reaction score
9,206
Location
Las Vegas, NV
We’re going into the off-season with literally every starting skill position on offense a FA except for Nuk.

And that’s staring us in the face... while having next to no cap space.

That is ludicrous. Like next level atrocious team building, especially around a young QB.
Pure insanity. I mean, I saw it coming, but pure insanity.

It's going to make it impossible to "build" on this season. It's a reboot every year.
 

Brian in Mesa

I Want To Believe
Super Moderator
Moderator
Supporting Member
Joined
May 13, 2002
Posts
63,573
Reaction score
10,021
Location
The Dark Side
It dawned on me as I read the merry-go-round of posters posting the same thing over and over again in thread after thread how much a truly organization-wide issue exists with this team. It’s called Problems Everywhere.

We have vocal GROUPS of posters blaming our ills on:

Keim
Kliff
Vance
Bill Davis
Kyler
Our receivers
Our oline (and can’t even agree on who are the problems there)
Our d line
Our linebackers (and our coaches’ use or lack thereof of them)
Our cornerbacks
Injuries

And there are literally reasonable-to-very-good arguments being made about each and every one of these elements. And none of them are being made by just one poster diatribes. In other words, the Cardinals have effectively baffled an entire board of pretty knowledgeable, observant, interested fans if we can’t come close to at least a couple of consensus regarding the central issues.

Know what that tells me? Institutionwide issues. It’s likely a confluence of ALL of them to a degree that compound one and other. So the scary thing to me is that this likely isn’t just a matter of fixing one or two issues. Yes, doing so will improve the situation, but we’ll still be mired down by the gravity of those issues left unsolved. And yes, I know that the buck stops at Michael. But nothing is going to change there.

It’s a little maddening coming to this realization.
Don't forget how many times Zane Gonzalez was the real reason we lost games. :rolleyes:
 
OP
OP
Ouchie-Z-Clown

Ouchie-Z-Clown

I'm better than Mulli!
Joined
Sep 16, 2002
Posts
48,920
Reaction score
33,248
Location
SoCal
So it's Bidwill. Is that what your are saying?
Well I think that’s what most of us are saying. No. What I’m really saying is that if we are this split across ASFN it’s likely we are all a little bit right and the issues are likely just incredibly pervasive across all areas of the team (gm, coaches, players of almost all positions), but the issues may not be as insidious in any one of those areas.

It’s like difference between being stabbed with a big knife or with 30 small knives. Maybe same threshold of overall pain, but with the big knife you remove it and the healing starts more quickly. With the 30 small knives remove one and you’ve still got 29 knives in you.
 
OP
OP
Ouchie-Z-Clown

Ouchie-Z-Clown

I'm better than Mulli!
Joined
Sep 16, 2002
Posts
48,920
Reaction score
33,248
Location
SoCal
I think you're on to something that the 1-5 crash-and-burn was more than the failing of just one specific part of the organization (i.e. one player, one coach, or one group of players like the WRs, etc.).

I guess usually in a situation like this, where's there's a system-wide failure, the first thing that happens is one person gets singled out and sacrificed as the proverbial scapegoat.
True. But seems not even that’s gonna happen this offseason. Which is amazing.
 

Cardsfaninlouky

ASFN Lifer
Joined
Jan 10, 2019
Posts
3,123
Reaction score
3,104
Location
Louisville
Don't forget how many times Zane Gonzalez was the real reason we lost games. :rolleyes:
Having him make a few more kicks in 2020 & we would've been in the playoffs. The kicking situation was only one of the problems though. I agree with everyone else on here, the problem is top to bottom with our roster. Keim did a good job building this year's roster, I'll give him props for that but his drafting track record has put the roster in bad shape. He keeps signing old players on prove it deals cause his drafts for years have pretty much sucked. Plus he's buddies with an owner that keeps buying his b.s. ideas on how to build this team year after year with no consequences. Until that changes everything will stay the same. At this point it's either blow the whole thing up & start over fresh with a new GM or keep everything the same. doubt Bidwill is willing to start over. I don't think we need to totally reconstruct the roster but there's too many holes from bad drafts. Both the OL & DL need better players, Pugh isn't physical enough imo, Lawrence & Fotu are pretty much depth & not really starters. We need a #1 CB & a #2 WR & our DC can't get 2 first round LB's to learn his defense for whatever reason? Jones is a FA & seems to be slowing down & then there's salary cap issues. All this ain't getting fixed in the off season. What will happen imo is Keim will just figure out a way to put a band aide on the roster with older players, miss in the draft once again & Bidwill will buy his vision for 2022. But hey, I'll be rooting right along with everyone else when the season starts. I've said this time & time again, I really think Louis Riddick from ESPN would make a great GM for us. Bidwill & Keim being buddies is gonna keep him as our GM, KK will get the Axe before anyone else imo.
 

Stout

Hold onto the ball, Murray!
Joined
Dec 30, 2002
Posts
30,911
Reaction score
8,670
Location
Pittsburgh, PA--Enemy territory!
It dawned on me as I read the merry-go-round of posters posting the same thing over and over again in thread after thread how much a truly organization-wide issue exists with this team. It’s called Problems Everywhere.

We have vocal GROUPS of posters blaming our ills on:

Keim
Kliff
Vance
Bill Davis
Kyler
Our receivers
Our oline (and can’t even agree on who are the problems there)
Our d line
Our linebackers (and our coaches’ use or lack thereof of them)
Our cornerbacks
Injuries

And there are literally reasonable-to-very-good arguments being made about each and every one of these elements. And none of them are being made by just one poster diatribes. In other words, the Cardinals have effectively baffled an entire board of pretty knowledgeable, observant, interested fans if we can’t come close to at least a couple of consensus regarding the central issues.

Know what that tells me? Institutionwide issues. It’s likely a confluence of ALL of them to a degree that compound one and other. So the scary thing to me is that this likely isn’t just a matter of fixing one or two issues. Yes, doing so will improve the situation, but we’ll still be mired down by the gravity of those issues left unsolved. And yes, I know that the buck stops at Michael. But nothing is going to change there.

It’s a little maddening coming to this realization.
Well put.
 

Latest posts

Staff online

Forum statistics

Threads
473,776
Posts
4,761,927
Members
6,151
Latest member
Caseyslayer
Top