The 98th Annual Academy Awards

[Stout]

One Battle After Another wins? Over Sinners? Idiotic Oscar biases rise to the top. Joke awards, man. Just a plain joke.

 

[Chaplin]

One Battle After Another wins? Over Sinners? Idiotic Oscar biases rise to the top. Joke awards, man. Just a plain joke.

You hated One Battle that much? Wow. I get wanting Sinners to win, but this is over the top.

 

[Stout]

You hated One Battle that much? Wow. I get wanting Sinners to win, but this is over the top.

Nope. Haven't seen it yet though it's on the list. It was a niche movie that seemed to only get Oscar buzz because the handful of influencers that seem to move the needle on the awards seasons started talking it up. FWIR, it was just kind of a big budget niche movie for a couple months, then suddenly the Oscars whispers started. But, clearly, most of my opinion here is based on the fact that Sinners was far and away superior, as a piece of art as much as for movie entertainment, than anything I've seen in a long, long time. It's also the biggest middle finger the academy has ever given a horror movie.

When certain major genres of movies have absolutely zero chance of ever winning an Oscar despite their superiority, the Oscars are a joke.

I am now stepping down from my hobby horse

 

[Chaplin]

Well, MBJ did win best Actor, so it's not like they ignored it.

I'm just flabbergasted that you went on this rant, even moreso that I now know you haven't even seen One Battle After Another.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Nope. Haven't seen it yet though it's on the list.

LOL… so you’re bashing the decision based on something you literally don’t possess the knowledge to make a judgement on.

Stout, that is patently ridiculous and that’s coming from someone who thought Sinners was better than One Battle.

It was a niche movie that seemed to only get Oscar buzz because the handful of influencers that seem to move the needle on the awards seasons started talking it up. FWIR, it was just kind of a big budget niche movie for a couple months, then suddenly the Oscars whispers started.

None of this is even close to reality. This was deemed the Oscar front runner the moment it came out. It got universal rave reviews and for a “niche” movie it still made 70 million bucks domestic, which for any non IP movie in the current movie market IS actually something worth noting (sadly).

But, clearly, most of my opinion here is based on the fact that Sinners was far and away superior, as a piece of art as much as for movie entertainment, than anything I've seen in a long, long time. It's also the biggest middle finger the academy has ever given a horror movie.

When certain major genres of movies have absolutely zero chance of ever winning an Oscar despite their superiority, the Oscars are a joke.

I am now stepping down from my hobby horse

Stout… the movie was nominated a record 16 times, AND WON FOUR OSCARS including major ones for BEST SCREENPLAY, best Actor, best cinematography and best Score, totalling second best tally of the night and any other year probably would have won more.

 

[Dback Jon]

One Battle After Another wins? Over Sinners? Idiotic Oscar biases rise to the top. Joke awards, man. Just a plain joke.

Yup. And Sean Penn over Delroy Lindo?

 

[Dback Jon]

Cutting off the Best Song winners after like 30 seconds, but wasting 5 minutes on a lame Bridesmaid skit was awful.

Sound issues were a problem as well.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Yup. And Sean Penn over Delroy Lindo?

Penn over anyone was a joke. Benicio outshined him in his own movie.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Cutting off the Best Song winners after like 30 seconds, but wasting 5 minutes on a lame Bridesmaid skit was awful.

Sound issues were a problem as well.

The Best Song cut off was cruel.

 

[Dback Jon]

On the positive side, the In Memoriam segment was very well done.

From starting with Rob Reiner done by Billy Crystal and many of the actors he worked with, to ending with Barbra speaking about (and singing) to Robert Redford, very well done.

A nice transition was from Graham Greene to Val Kilmer - first pictures of just Graham, then one with the two together from Thunderheart, then to just Val was well done

 

[Dback Jon]

Penn over anyone was a joke. Benicio outshined him in his own movie.

True - I would have been fine with Del Toro winning as well

 

[Chaplin]

On the positive side, the In Memoriam segment was very well done.

From starting with Rob Reiner done by Billy Crystal and many of the actors he worked with, to ending with Barbra speaking about (and singing) to Robert Redford, very well done.

A nice transition was from Graham Greene to Val Kilmer - first pictures of just Graham, then one with the two together from Thunderheart, then to just Val was well done

Apparently it was the first time Barbara has sung that song in public in 15 years.

 

[Cheesebeef]

True - I would have been fine with Del Toro winning as well

After no showing, the Academy and its voters should never vote for Penn again. It’s just spitting in the face of the other candidates who would all cherish the moment.

 

[FB94]

Haven’t watched this in years, better time watching WBC Sunday night

 

[Dback Jon]

Haven’t watched this in years, better time watching WBC Sunday night

Yet you felt the need to let everyone know...

 

[GatorAZ]

Anora won an Oscar so they’re pretty much toast at this point.
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[Stout]

To Chap and Cheese, here's a question for you: If a movie the quality of Sinners wasn't a horror movie, would you still think it totally cool to overlook in favor of One Battle? Another question: Is it as profound and as important a movie as Sinners?

It's clear, crystal clear, the Hollywood elite snobbery "Horror movies aren't serious movies" biases were in play. I'll eventually watch One Battle, which didn't look interesting, but I got interested when I heard about it's heavily left political commentary. I cannot imagine loving it and marveling at it as much as at Sinners.

 

[Chaplin]

To Chap and Cheese, here's a question for you: If a movie the quality of Sinners wasn't a horror movie, would you still think it totally cool to overlook in favor of One Battle? Another question: Is it as profound and as important a movie as Sinners?

It's clear, crystal clear, the Hollywood elite snobbery "Horror movies aren't serious movies" biases were in play. I'll eventually watch One Battle, which didn't look interesting, but I got interested when I heard about it's heavily left political commentary. I cannot imagine loving it and marveling at it as much as at Sinners.

Your problem is you are making too many assumptions.

Assumption #1: One Battle isn’t as good a movie as Sinners. You’ve admitted you haven’t even seen it, so how do you know?
Assumption #2: Sinners is much more profound and important than One Battle (or any of the nominees for that matter).
Assumption #3: The only reason it lost was because it’s a horror movie.

None of those assumptions can be proven. I loved Sinners, but do I think it’s some great milestone of cinema? No. It’s good and deserved to even win, but it doesn’t mean that nobody else deserves to win either. My heart was set on Hamnet personally, but so what?

And again, you haven’t even SEEN the actual winner! Your bias is so extreme though, that we all know you’re going to hate it because it beat Sinners.

 

[Stout]

Your problem is you are making too many assumptions.

Assumption #1: One Battle isn’t as good a movie as Sinners. You’ve admitted you haven’t even seen it, so how do you know?
Assumption #2: Sinners is much more profound and important than One Battle (or any of the nominees for that matter).
Assumption #3: The only reason it lost was because it’s a horror movie.

None of those assumptions can be proven. I loved Sinners, but do I think it’s some great milestone of cinema? No. It’s good and deserved to even win, but it doesn’t mean that nobody else deserves to win either. My heart was set on Hamnet personally, but so what?

And again, you haven’t even SEEN the actual winner! Your bias is so extreme though, that we all know you’re going to hate it because it beat Sinners.

So do you think a horror movie ever has a shot of winning? If so, how much, much better than any other movie would it have to be. Do you honestly think there are no biases against horror movies in the Academy?

I get it. You (and probably Cheese) will defend them tooth and claw. Its one of your industry standards, so it holds great import for you. Look at it from the outside, though. Give that a shot.

 

[MadCardDisease]

One Battle After Another wins? Over Sinners? Idiotic Oscar biases rise to the top. Joke awards, man. Just a plain joke.

As I said before I loved both movies but thought OBAA was slightly better than Sinners. I think it was a well deserved win.

 

[Chaplin]

So do you think a horror movie ever has a shot of winning? If so, how much, much better than any other movie would it have to be. Do you honestly think there are no biases against horror movies in the Academy?

I get it. You (and probably Cheese) will defend them tooth and claw. Its one of your industry standards, so it holds great import for you. Look at it from the outside, though. Give that a shot.

But if a Horror movie was to win, yes, it would have to be really, really good, probably significantly so. That is the case for all awards shows, not just the Oscars. It's one of the reasons the Golden Globes started the Best Musical/Comedy award. I don't see the Oscars doing that though.

There are too many "oscar bait" movies that come out each year in Drama that hampers any chance a horror movie has. You outright said that the Oscars suck because a movie you liked didn't win. And also saying that you never even saw the actual winner.

You want to know what other movies didn't win Best Picture? Saving Private Ryan, The Usual Suspects, Dune, Fellowship of the Ring, Good Night and Good Luck, There Will be Blood, Pulp Fiction, and The SHAWSHANK REDEMPTION. Who cares that Sinners didn't win the Academy Award? It's not like there is precedent for the Academy to make good decisions with their winners. I mean, they've also given Best Picture to Chicago, Shakespeare in Love and Crash for Gods sake!

 

[Chaplin]

Also, cheese and I haven't given any outright opinions on One Battle winning it, although I have said that I had Hamnet as my frontrunner with Sinners and One Battle pretty much tied for a very close second. I'm just not going to lose any sleep over it.

You seem to think we think the Academy can do no wrong. That is not the case at all. We just don't think you're as objective on this subject, especially since you haven't even seen One Battle.

 

[Cheesebeef]

To Chap and Cheese, here's a question for you: If a movie the quality of Sinners wasn't a horror movie, would you still think it totally cool to overlook in favor of One Battle? Another question: Is it as profound and as important a movie as Sinners?

I don't think so, but it's got PLENTY to say politically speaking as well.

also, the "Academy won't recognize horror" argument is just unfounded. It literally recognized it with FOUR MAJOR OSCARS. Again, Best Screenplay, Best Actor, Best Cinematography and Score.

Even further, I think it's kind of a joke to even label Sinners as a horror movie. There's not a single moment of the movie that's scary. The second half of the movie is an action movie with Vampires.

And again, I LOVED Sinners and thought it was superior to One Battle. But I thought One Battle was pretty damn great too and had A TON to say as well.

It's clear, crystal clear, the Hollywood elite snobbery "Horror movies aren't serious movies" biases were in play.

again, how can you say this when YOU'VE NEVER SEEN ONE BATTLE. How can ANYTHING be crystal clear when you've got no frame of reference? This is the dumbest argument I've ever seen. People have different opinions - some people have been hailing One Battle as the movie of the decade. I think that's NUTS, but that narrative IS out there.

And again, if there was so much snobbery in play with Horror movies, why did Sinners walk away with the 2nd most Oscars last night and why did Frankenstein walk away with the 3rd most?

 

[Cheesebeef]

So do you think a horror movie ever has a shot of winning?

dude... a horror movie has won before. The Silence Of The Lambs did back in the 90s.

If so, how much, much better than any other movie would it have to be. Do you honestly think there are no biases against horror movies in the Academy?

I get it. You (and probably Cheese) will defend them tooth and claw.

WTF? You're an idiot. We've done no such thing.

Its one of your industry standards, so it holds great import for you. Look at it from the outside, though. Give that a shot.

how about you actually watch the other movie that won so you could have a frame of reference for the conversation? Give that a shot instead of accusing me and Chap of simping for the Oscars (especially since I already said I thought Sinners should have won).

 

[Brian in Mesa]

On the positive side, the In Memoriam segment was very well done.

Except for leaving out at least 8 people who should have been included...

James Van Der Beek, Eric Dane, Julian McMahon, David Keighley, Malcolm Jamal Warner, Robert Carradine, June Lockhart, and Brigitte Bardot.