The 98th Annual Academy Awards

[Stout]

But if a Horror movie was to win, yes, it would have to be really, really good, probably significantly so. That is the case for all awards shows, not just the Oscars. It's one of the reasons the Golden Globes started the Best Musical/Comedy award. I don't see the Oscars doing that though.

There are too many "oscar bait" movies that come out each year in Drama that hampers any chance a horror movie has. You outright said that the Oscars suck because a movie you liked didn't win. And also saying that you never even saw the actual winner.

You want to know what other movies didn't win Best Picture? Saving Private Ryan, The Usual Suspects, Dune, Fellowship of the Ring, Good Night and Good Luck, There Will be Blood, Pulp Fiction, and The SHAWSHANK REDEMPTION. Who cares that Sinners didn't win the Academy Award? It's not like there is precedent for the Academy to make good decisions with their winners. I mean, they've also given Best Picture to Chicago, Shakespeare in Love and Crash for Gods sake!

If a particular genre, especially a major genre, of movies has zero chance to win, the Oscars are a joke.

 

[Stout]

dude... a horror movie has won before. The Silence Of The Lambs did back in the 90s.

WTF? You're an idiot. We've done no such thing.

how about you actually watch the other movie that won so you could have a frame of reference for the conversation? Give that a shot instead of accusing me and Chap of simping for the Oscars (especially since I already said I thought Sinners should have won).

WTF, YOU'RE an idiot lol Gee, what fun this has descended to.

As for silence, eh, a quick search says some people may consider it horror but that it's a psychological thriller. I'll give you a nod to referencing it, though. I do think that's as close as the Academy will ever get.

 

[Stout]

If a particular genre, especially a major genre, of movies has zero chance to win, the Oscars are a joke.

I'll add that the Academy won't boycott giving a horror movie an Oscar, but by gum, they will never consent to letting it win Best Picture.

 

[Dback Jon]

Except for leaving out at least 8 people who should have been included...

James Van Der Beek, Eric Dane, Julian McMahon, David Keighley, Malcolm Jamal Warner, Robert Carradine, June Lockhart, and Brigitte Bardot.

They don't have time for everyone on the broadcast, and need to spread the memoriam out among all the branches of the academy.

Some of those listed are not members of the academy, and the Academy will often leave out those stars who are more well known for TV, because they will be recognized at the Emmy's.

Other "TV" actors like George Wendt, Desmond Wilson and Loretta Swit didn't make the broadcast.

Of those that you listed, only Robert Carradine comes to mind as a primarily Movie Actor.

 

[Dback Jon]

Congrats to Steve Kerr for being part of an Oscar winning picture - "All the Empty Rooms" - he is an executive producer of it.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I'll add that the Academy won't boycott giving a horror movie an Oscar, but by gum, they will never consent to letting it win Best Picture.

are you just being dense? Silence Of The Lambs literally got the full, almost never given 5 Golden Oscar Sweep of Best Picture, Director, Screenplay, Actor, Actress.

 

[Dback Jon]

In honor of Amy Madigan winning an Oscar, I present one of her great movie speeches (timely now)

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[Cheesebeef]

In honor of Amy Madigan winning an Oscar, I present one of her great movie speeches (timely now)

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BUT HOW @Stout?!?!?! THE OsCarS haTe HoRrOR!!!

I mean, the Genre only won... 8 COMBINED OSCARS LAST NIGHT.

Honestly, complaining that the Oscars never recognize Horror movies, on a night where Horror movies won almost HALF of all possible Oscars last night (discounting best doc/short doc/animated/animated doc) is just... i wish there was a better word for this... stupid.

 

[Dback Jon]

BUT HOW @Stout?!?!?! THE OsCarS haTe HoRrOR!!!

I mean, the Genre only won... 10 COMBINED OSCARS LAST NIGHT.

I was wondering if you were going to mention her role...

 

[Cheesebeef]

I was wondering if you were going to mention her role...

just such a silly year to bemoan the Oscars lack of recognition of horror movies when Sinners, Frankenstein and Weapons won a combined 8 awards out of a possible 19 for theatrical motion pictures.

 

[Dan H]

On the positive side, the In Memoriam segment was very well done.

From starting with Rob Reiner done by Billy Crystal and many of the actors he worked with, to ending with Barbra speaking about (and singing) to Robert Redford, very well done.

A nice transition was from Graham Greene to Val Kilmer - first pictures of just Graham, then one with the two together from Thunderheart, then to just Val was well done

They whiffed on Robert Duvall. Maybe the timing was wrong, IDK.

 

[Dback Jon]

They whiffed on Robert Duvall. Maybe the timing was wrong, IDK.

You mean not giving his Memoriam more air time? Would agree.

I do understand how hard it is to fit in everyone and with all the heavy weights that did pass away in the last year it’s going to be impossible to please everyone.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

The 98th Annual Academy Awards​

Actor in a Leading Role
Winner - Michael B. Jordan (Sinners)
Timothée Chalamet (Marty Supreme)
Leonardo DiCaprio (One Battle after Another)
Ethan Hawke (Blue Moon)
Wagner Moura (The Secret Agent)

Actor in a Supporting Role
Winner - Sean Penn (One Battle after Another)
Benicio Del Toro (One Battle after Another)
Jacob Elordi (Frankenstein)
Delroy Lindo (Sinners)
Stellan Skarsgård (Sentimental Value)

Actress in a Leading Role
Winner - Jessie Buckley (Hamnet)
Rose Byrne (If I Had Legs I'd Kick You)
Kate Hudson (Song Sung Blue)
Renate Reinsve (Sentimental Value)
Emma Stone (Bugonia)

Actress in a Supporting Role
Winner - Amy Madigan (Weapons)
Elle Fanning (Sentimental Value)
Inga Ibsdotter Lilleaas (Sentimental Value)
Wunmi Mosaku (Sinners)
Teyana Taylor (One Battle after Another)

Animated Feature Film
Winner - KPop Demon Hunters (Maggie Kang, Chris Appelhans and Michelle L.M. Wong)
Arco (Ugo Bienvenu, Félix de Givry, Sophie Mas and Natalie Portman
Elio (Madeline Sharafian, Domee Shi, Adrian Molina and Mary Alice Drumm)
Little Amélie or the Character of Rain (Maïlys Vallade, Liane-Cho Han, Nidia Santiago and Henri Magalon)
Zootopia 2 (Jared Bush, Byron Howard and Yvett Merino)

Animated Short Film
Winner - The Girl Who Cried Pearls (Chris Lavis and Maciek Szczerbowski)
Butterfly (Florence Miailhe and Ron Dyens)
Forevergreen (Nathan Engelhardt and Jeremy Spears)
Retirement Plan (John Kelly and Andrew Freedman)
The Three Sisters (Konstantin Bronzit)

Casting
Winner - One Battle after Another (Cassandra Kulukundis)
Hamnet (Nina Gold)
Marty Supreme (Jennifer Venditti)
The Secret Agent (Gabriel Domingues)
Sinners (Francine Maisler)

Cinematography
Winner - Sinners (Autumn Durald Arkapaw)
Frankenstein (Dan Laustsen)
Marty Supreme (Darius Khondji)
One Battle after Another (Michael Bauman)
Train Dreams (Adolpho Veloso)

Costume Design
Winner - Frankenstein (Kate Hawley)
Avatar: Fire and Ash (Deborah L. Scott)
Hamnet (Malgosia Turzanska)
Marty Supreme (Miyako Bellizzi)
Sinners (Ruth E. Carter)

Directing
Winner - One Battle after Another (Paul Thomas Anderson)
Hamnet (Chloé Zhao)
Marty Supreme (Josh Safdie)
Sentimental Value (Joachim Trier)
Sinners (Ryan Coogler)

Documentary Feature Film
Winner - Mr. Nobody against Putin (David Borenstein, Pavel Talankin, Helle Faber and Alžběta Karásková)
The Alabama Solution (Andrew Jarecki and Charlotte Kaufman)
Come See Me in the Good Light (Ryan White, Jessica Hargrave, Tig Notaro and Stef Willen)
Cutting through Rocks (Sara Khaki and Mohammadreza Eyni)
The Perfect Neighbor (Geeta Gandbhir, Alisa Payne, Nikon Kwantu and Sam Bisbee)

Documentary Short Film
Winner - All the Empty Rooms (Joshua Seftel and Conall Jones)
Armed Only with a Camera: The Life and Death of Brent Renaud (Craig Renaud and Juan Arredondo)
Children No More: "Were and Are Gone" (Hilla Medalia and Sheila Nevins)
The Devil Is Busy (Christalyn Hampton and Geeta Gandbhir)
Perfectly a Strangeness (Alison McAlpine)

Film Editing
Winner - One Battle after Another (Andy Jurgensen)
F1 (Stephen Mirrione)
Marty Supreme (Ronald Bronstein and Josh Safdie)
Sentimental Value (Olivier Bugge Coutté)
Sinners (Michael P. Shawver)

International Feature Film
Winner - Norway (Sentimental Value)
Brazil (The Secret Agent)
France (It Was Just an Accident)
Spain (Sirāt)
Tunisia (The Voice of Hind Rajab)

Live Action Short Film
Winner - The Singers (Sam A. Davis and Jack Piatt)
Winner - Two People Exchanging Saliva (Alexandre Singh and Natalie Musteata)
Butcher's Stain (Meyer Levinson-Blount and Oron Caspi)
A Friend of Dorothy (Lee Knight and James Dean)
Jane Austen's Period Drama (Julia Aks and Steve Pinder)

Makeup and Hairstyling
Winner - Frankenstein (Mike Hill, Jordan Samuel and Cliona Furey)
Kokuho (Kyoko Toyokawa, Naomi Hibino and Tadashi Nishimatsu)
Sinners (Ken Diaz, Mike Fontaine and Shunika Terry)
The Smashing Machine (Kazu Hiro, Glen Griffin and Bjoern Rehbein)
The Ugly Stepsister (Thomas Foldberg and Anne Cathrine Sauerberg)

Music (Original Score)
Winner - Sinners (Ludwig Goransson)
Bugonia (Jerskin Fendrix)
Frankenstein (Alexandre Desplat)
Hamnet (Max Richter)
One Battle after Another (Jonny Greenwood)

Music (Original Song)
Winner - Golden (from KPop Demon Hunters; Music and Lyric by EJAE, Mark Sonnenblick, Joong Gyu Kwak, Yu Han Lee, Hee Dong Nam, Jeong Hoon Seo and Teddy Park)
Dear Me (from Diane Warren: Relentless; Music and Lyric by Diane Warren)
I Lied To You (from Sinners; Music and Lyric by Raphael Saadiq and Ludwig Goransson)
Sweet Dreams Of Joy (from Viva Verdi!; Music and Lyric by Nicholas Pike)
Train Dreams (from Train Dreams; Music by Nick Cave and Bryce Dessner; Lyric by Nick Cave)

Best Picture
Winner - One Battle after Another (Adam Somner, Sara Murphy and Paul Thomas Anderson, Producers)
Bugonia (Ed Guiney & Andrew Lowe, Yorgos Lanthimos, Emma Stone and Lars Knudsen, Producers)
F1 (Chad Oman, Brad Pitt, Dede Gardner, Jeremy Kleiner, Joseph Kosinski and Jerry Bruckheimer, Producers)
Frankenstein (Guillermo del Toro, J. Miles Dale and Scott Stuber, Producers)
Hamnet (Liza Marshall, Pippa Harris, Nicolas Gonda, Steven Spielberg and Sam Mendes, Producers)
Marty Supreme (Eli Bush, Ronald Bronstein, Josh Safdie, Anthony Katagas and Timothée Chalamet, Producers)
The Secret Agent (Emilie Lesclaux, Producer)
Sentimental Value (Maria Ekerhovd and Andrea Berentsen Ottmar, Producers)
Sinners (Zinzi Coogler, Sev Ohanian and Ryan Coogler, Producers)
Train Dreams (Marissa McMahon, Teddy Schwarzman, Will Janowitz, Ashley Schlaifer and Michael Heimler, Producers)

Production Design
Winner - Frankenstein (Production Design: Tamara Deverell; Set Decoration: Shane Vieau)
Hamnet (Production Design: Fiona Crombie; Set Decoration: Alice Felton)
Marty Supreme (Production Design: Jack Fisk; Set Decoration: Adam Willis)
One Battle after Another (Production Design: Florencia Martin; Set Decoration: Anthony Carlino)
Sinners (Production Design: Hannah Beachler; Set Decoration: Monique Champagne)

Sound
Winner - F1 (Gareth John, Al Nelson, Gwendolyn Yates Whittle, Gary A. Rizzo and Juan Peralta)
Frankenstein (Greg Chapman, Nathan Robitaille, Nelson Ferreira, Christian Cooke and Brad Zoern)
One Battle after Another (José Antonio García, Christopher Scarabosio and Tony Villaflor)
Sinners (Chris Welcker, Benjamin A. Burtt, Felipe Pacheco, Brandon Proctor and Steve Boeddeker)
Sirāt (Amanda Villavieja, Laia Casanovas and Yasmina Praderas)

Visual Effects
Winner - Avatar: Fire and Ash (Joe Letteri, Richard Baneham, Eric Saindon and Daniel Barrett)
F1 (Ryan Tudhope, Nicolas Chevallier, Robert Harrington and Keith Dawson)
Jurassic World Rebirth (David Vickery, Stephen Aplin, Charmaine Chan and Neil Corbould)
The Lost Bus (Charlie Noble, David Zaretti, Russell Bowen and Brandon K. McLaughlin)
Sinners (Michael Ralla, Espen Nordahl, Guido Wolter and Donnie Dean)

Writing (Adapted Screenplay)
Winner - One Battle after Another (Written by Paul Thomas Anderson)
Bugonia (Screenplay by Will Tracy)
Frankenstein (Written for the Screen by Guillermo del Toro)
Hamnet (Screenplay by Chloé Zhao & Maggie O'Farrell)
Train Dreams (Screenplay by Clint Bentley & Greg Kwedar)

Writing (Original Screenplay)
Winner - Sinners (Written by Ryan Coogler)
Blue Moon (Written by Robert Kaplow)
It Was Just an Accident (Written by Jafar Panahi; Script collaborators - Nader Saïvar, Shadmehr Rastin, Mehdi Mahmoudian)
Marty Supreme (Written by Ronald Bronstein & Josh Safdie)
Sentimental Value (Written by Eskil Vogt, Joachim Trier)

 

[oaken1]

Nope. Haven't seen it yet though it's on the list. It was a niche movie that seemed to only get Oscar buzz because the handful of influencers that seem to move the needle on the awards seasons started talking it up. FWIR, it was just kind of a big budget niche movie for a couple months, then suddenly the Oscars whispers started. But, clearly, most of my opinion here is based on the fact that Sinners was far and away superior, as a piece of art as much as for movie entertainment, than anything I've seen in a long, long time. It's also the biggest middle finger the academy has ever given a horror movie.

When certain major genres of movies have absolutely zero chance of ever winning an Oscar despite their superiority, the Oscars are a joke.

I am now stepping down from my hobby horse

meh...sinners was kinda bla in truth.
wasnt good as a period piece. wasnt good as a horror flick. was mediocre as a Vamp movie.
Take away the novelty of it being an all black vampire movie and what you got left is late night TV fodder. dime a dozen

 

[Chaplin]

meh...sinners was kinda bla in truth.
wasnt good as a period piece. wasnt good as a horror flick. was mediocre as a Vamp movie.
Take away the novelty of it being an all black vampire movie and what you got left is late night TV fodder. dime a dozen

This can't be real.

 

[oaken1]

This can't be real.

nope... never understood the obsession some folks had with it. I was excited to see it. then soundly disappointed.
Normally, I would have seen a movie like this a couple times already. But no point in wasting more of my life on this one. Just a gimmick movie with little actual substance

 

[Cheesebeef]

nope... never understood the obsession some folks had with it. I was excited to see it. then soundly disappointed.
Normally, I would have seen a movie like this a couple times already. But no point in wasting more of my life on this one. Just a gimmick movie with little actual substance

To say this means the substance just went completely over your head.

 

[oaken1]

To say this means the substance just went completely over your head.

Ooooof course it does.....

 

[Cheesebeef]

Ooooof course it does.....

Well, let’s talk about this. Instead of just assuming the movie went over your head, I’ll back up. tell me what you think the movie was about.

 

[Stout]

I sat down and watched One Battle After Another last night. I should say, I watched the movie in like five parts over the evening. First, it's not just not in the same ballpark as Sinners; it's not even the same sport. Sinners is far and away better. I did enjoy the political commentary. The cheesy villains were cheesy for a reason and funny as hell. When it hit its stride, it was very good. Therein lay the problem for me. It took a lot to hit its stride. I'm all for long movies, but this one was...well, when I paused and realized there was still an hour left when it took about an hour to hit its stride, woof..

 

[oaken1]

Well, let’s talk about this. Instead of just assuming the movie went over your head, I’ll back up. tell me what you think the movie was about.

That's a good approach cheese I appreciate that man.
Right now I'm not in the right headspace but later today I will respond with the proper thought the query deserves.

 

[Chaplin]

I sat down and watched One Battle After Another last night. I should say, I watched the movie in like five parts over the evening. First, it's not just not in the same ballpark as Sinners; it's not even the same sport. Sinners is far and away better. I did enjoy the political commentary. The cheesy villains were cheesy for a reason and funny as hell. When it hit its stride, it was very good. Therein lay the problem for me. It took a lot to hit its stride. I'm all for long movies, but this one was...well, when I paused and realized there was still an hour left when it took about an hour to hit its stride, woof..

LOL

Tell me you've never seen a PTA movie without actually saying it.

 

[Dan H]

Another person they missed.

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[Stout]

LOL

Tell me you've never seen a PTA movie without actually saying it.

Oh, to see a PTA movie is to like it? I'm not allowed to only somewhat enjoy it, let alone dislike it? Now we're adding the arrogance of Hollywood to the equation. But with the wink emoji, it sure doesn't at all come across that way.

Also, I have seen his movies. There Will Be Blood was awful; Punch Drunk Love was excellent. Inherent Vice dragged so long it made me bored in a scene featuring a topless woman.

Let me also add that I am not at all surprised by the massive pushback, nor with who is behind said pushback. As predictable as the Cards losing NFC West games.

 

[Chaplin]

Oh, to see a PTA movie is to like it? I'm not allowed to only somewhat enjoy it, let alone dislike it? Now we're adding the arrogance of Hollywood to the equation. But with the wink emoji, it sure doesn't at all come across that way.

Also, I have seen his movies. There Will Be Blood was awful; Punch Drunk Love was excellent. Inherent Vice dragged so long it made me bored in a scene featuring a topless woman.

Let me also add that I am not at all surprised by the massive pushback, nor with who is behind said pushback. As predictable as the Cards losing NFC West games.

It was a joke, lighten up. I would think Cardinal fans would have a better sense of humor.

EDIT: Apologies for the passive aggressive emoji.

2nd EDIT: Apologies for the passive aggressive NOTE.