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Jalen already has 6 rebounds.

Man... not picking that option up could be a really ugly brain fart after this season.

It wasn't a brain fart, Sarver was being cheap, nothing more, nothing less. Declining that option had zero potential benefit other than saving ownership a few mil.
 

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It wasn't a brain fart, Sarver was being cheap, nothing more, nothing less. Declining that option had zero potential benefit other than saving ownership a few mil.

Yea there is no other excuse. I don't know how it went down but I imagine JJ was told to trim costs somehow and he decided to do so with Stix.

I don't get how people can claim it wasn't a financial decision. The only way I'll believe that is if the Suns offer him more than $4 million this offseason, which isn't happening. I think he was owed $4.7 million, which he's not getting from us.

I'm a little surprised that Sarver hasn't told Monty and JJ not to play Stix in an effort to lower his value. Although that could come after the trade deadline. There might be hope now we can flip him for someone or something of value but he needs playing time for that.
 

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Yea there is no other excuse. I don't know how it went down but I imagine JJ was told to trim costs somehow and he decided to do so with Stix.

I don't get how people can claim it wasn't a financial decision. The only way I'll believe that is if the Suns offer him more than $4 million this offseason, which isn't happening. I think he was owed $4.7 million, which he's not getting from us. If anything it makes a lot more sense that if he just wanted to save money he'd overrule them on the more expensive Shamet and extend Smith at a much lower cost.

I'm a little surprised that Sarver hasn't told Monty and JJ not to play Stix in an effort to lower his value. Although that could come after the trade deadline. There might be hope now we can flip him for someone or something of value but he needs playing time for that.
I'm sure it was a financial decision and a bad one at that. I just don't agree that it was solely a financial decision nor that it was solely on our idiot owner. I don't believe that had Monty and JJ been pushing for an extension that Sarver would have just overruled them on it.

As for not playing him to keep his value down, I think it might be too late for that. Regardless, I would much rather risk his value going up by using him in an effort to win it all then I would to limit his opportunities in the faint hopes we might be able to re-sign him. Play him, develop him further, and if we win a championship with his help, at least we'll have gotten some value out of him.
 

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Yea there is no other excuse. I don't know how it went down but I imagine JJ was told to trim costs somehow and he decided to do so with Stix.

I don't get how people can claim it wasn't a financial decision. The only way I'll believe that is if the Suns offer him more than $4 million this offseason, which isn't happening. I think he was owed $4.7 million, which he's not getting from us.

I'm a little surprised that Sarver hasn't told Monty and JJ not to play Stix in an effort to lower his value. Although that could come after the trade deadline. There might be hope now we can flip him for someone or something of value but he needs playing time for that.
Almost everything you said here is wrong. We will offer him the $4.7 million. It was a cap decision. It's not about paying the money but about WHO will get the money. They did miss on their evaluation of Stix. He turned it around in surprising fashion. He is not really tradable because of restrictions any team that trades for him would have in trying to resign him. Therefore, playing him more cannot be an effort to improve his value for a trade. Playing him more is about the fact that he is valuable now. It might, just might also show him he has a playing role here if perchance he might be interested in signing here.
 
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Almost everything you said here is wrong. We will offer him the $4.7 million. It was a cap decision. It's not about paying the money but about WHO will get the money. They did miss on their evaluation of Stix. He turned it around in surprising fashion. He is not really tradable because of restrictions any team that trades for him would have in trying to resign him. Therefore, playing him more cannot be an effort to improve his value for a trade. Playing him more is about the fact that he is valuable now. It might, just might also show him he has a playing role here if perchance he might be interested in signing here.

I don't see any difference in picking up the option on Stix earlier this season or paying him next season because the $4.7 million only counts for next season.
 

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Almost everything you said here is wrong. We will offer him the $4.7 million. It was a cap decision. It's not about paying the money but about WHO will get the money. They did miss on their evaluation of Stix. He turned it around in surprising fashion. He is not really tradable because of restrictions any team that trades for him would have in trying to resign him. Therefore, playing him more cannot be an effort to improve his value for a trade. Playing him more is about the fact that he is valuable now. It might, just might also show him he has a playing role here if perchance he might be interested in signing here.

If you think the Suns will pay Stix $4.7 million this off-season then I've got a bridge to sell you. There's no way that happens. He's as good as gone when the season ends.
 

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If you think the Suns will pay Stix $4.7 million this off-season then I've got a bridge to sell you. There's no way that happens. He's as good as gone when the season ends.
I think the Suns will offer whatever they are allowed to offer and yes, Stix will almost definitely take a higher offer elsewhere. That's assuming he finishes the season with us.
 
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If you think the Suns will pay Stix $4.7 million this off-season then I've got a bridge to sell you. There's no way that happens. He's as good as gone when the season ends.
I think the Suns will offer whatever they are allowed to offer and yes, Stix will almost definitely take a higher offer elsewhere. That's assuming he finishes the season with us.

Stix is likely gone after the season but there are three reasons he might stay if the money is equal:

1. Chris Paul.
2. A Championship.
3. And a clearly defined role with the assurance he is rotation piece going forward.

Bobby Portis took less to stay in Milwaukee but he has earned more career money.
 

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Stix is likely gone after the season but there are three reasons he might stay if the money is equal:

1. Chris Paul.
2. A Championship.
3. And a clearly defined role with the assurance he is rotation piece going forward.

Bobby Portis took less to stay in Milwaukee but he has earned more career money.
Yeah, the odds are against us but I like the kid and the energy he brings to the game so odds or not, I'm still holding on to the very slim hope that he chooses to stay.
 

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I think the Suns will offer whatever they are allowed to offer and yes, Stix will almost definitely take a higher offer elsewhere. That's assuming he finishes the season with us.
I think they will offer 4.7. He will get a higher offer somewhere else. There is a very slim chance he will stay but that would only be because he sees himself in a significant role in the rotation. Much more likely he takes a bigger offer and a bigger role on a lesser team. I really doubt he will be traded. The present contract restrictions mitigate against it.

It is what it is.
 

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I think they will offer 4.7. He will get a higher offer somewhere else. There is a very slim chance he will stay but that would only be because he sees himself in a significant role in the rotation. Much more likely he takes a bigger offer and a bigger role on a lesser team. I really doubt he will be traded. The present contract restrictions mitigate against it.

It is what it is.
I think he leaves for greener pastures this offseason. But a team looking to cut salary might have interest in taking a one year rental that can also help them make the playoffs. IOW, Boston and Dennis. Is it good for us? I have no idea. It depends on several things, one of which has to do with whether we think we can find regular PT for Jalen the rest of this season. With CamJ, Jae, Mcgee, Ayton and Biyombo that might be difficult.

I know that Schroeder can play but I've never been one of his fans. However, despite what's been said here about him lately by several posters, I had thought he'd been somewhat rehabilitated and had moved beyond the selfish, often brain-dead player he had been. If CP believes in him (and I stress the "if") then adding another scoring threat might makes sense.
 
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Mike Vigil with the slam dunk.

Also I think Steve Kerr has compared Kuminga to Giannis.

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Some indicators when the Suns are playing well at the halfway point in the season.

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