Suns trade Richards, Nigel-Davis to the Bucks

[Chaplin]

Here we go. -- Suns trade Nick Richards and Nigel Hayes-Davis for Amir Coffey and Cole Anthony

I imagine Coffey will be waived, but we may hold on to Anthony. I believe doing that might open up the 2 spots needed to convert both Bouyea and Livers. I honestly think we don't need either one of them

Also, I BEAT RONIN!

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[Covert Rain]

Here we go. -- Suns trade Nick Richards and Nigel Hayes-Davis for Amir Coffey and Cole Anthony

I imagine Coffey will be waived, but we may hold on to Anthony. I believe doing that might open up the 2 spots needed to convert both Bouyea and Livers. I honestly think we don't need either one of them

Also, I BEAT RONIN!

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That's disappointing. I mean I get it if the idea is to open two roster spots but I was hoping we could get a body to play the PF spot.

 

[Chaplin]

Cole Anthony is a decent backup PG. Coffey is likely a goner.

I don't mind the deal. Would have preferred a big but Cole is a solid rotation player.

Anthony's mpg is identical to Bouyea's, so that might be a good comparison. Coffey was far down the rotation with Milwaukee.

 

[BooksOrangePlanet]

Here we go. -- Suns trade Nick Richards and Nigel Hayes-Davis for Amir Coffey and Cole Anthony

I imagine Coffey will be waived, but we may hold on to Anthony. I believe doing that might open up the 2 spots needed to convert both Bouyea and Livers. I honestly think we don't need either one of them

Also, I BEAT RONIN!

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4 birds with 1 stone - makes sense

 

[SirStefan32]

So they save just under $3M and duck bellow luxury tax. Assuming they'll either flip them for second=round picks or waive them to create roster spots for one or two of the two-way guys.

 

[Chaplin]

So they save just under $3M and duck bellow luxury tax. Assuming they'll either flip them for second=round picks or waive them to create roster spots for one or two of the two-way guys.

Don't we currently have one roster spot open? Yeah looks like we have one, waiving one or both of those incoming guys would give us 2 or 3 open spots apparently.

 

[Proximo]

Here we go. -- Suns trade Nick Richards and Nigel Hayes-Davis for Amir Coffey and Cole Anthony

I imagine Coffey will be waived, but we may hold on to Anthony. I believe doing that might open up the 2 spots needed to convert both Bouyea and Livers. I honestly think we don't need either one of them

Also, I BEAT RONIN!

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I would do the opposite. Coffey is a player we need more than Anthony. He is kind of another version of Livers actually.

 

[AzStevenCal]

That's disappointing. I mean I get it if the idea is to open two roster spots but I was hoping we could get a body to play the PF spot.

Actually, I like it, in large part because we did not trade for a PF. Yes we need a good PF but we do not need a below average 4 and we don't have the assets (unless we include one of our stars) to acquire better than that IMO. Hopefully as the season wears down, Fleming will work his way into the rotation.

 

[Chaplin]

I would do the opposite. Coffey is a player we need more than Anthony. He is kind of another version of Livers actually.

Coffey has statistically been terrible this season. Anthony has been a rotation player.

But at the end of the day, both players are redundant. Certainly Anthony is more interesting than NHD, but I'm not sure we should plan for Coffey to all of a sudden become a + player.

 

[Mainstreet]

Just what the Suns needed, another guard. Maybe another move to come. I take it this trade has a lot to do with shedding salary.

 

[Mainstreet]

Maybe the Suns want to create roster spots as well.

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[Dback Jon]

Good trade for the Suns - gets them under an apron, hopefully allows them to sign Bouyea to a real deal

 

[Mainstreet]

Now the Suns are in position to move a two-way player to their active roster if they so desire.

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[Chaplin]

Now the Suns are in position to move a two-way player to their active roster if they so desire.

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They always had the roster spot to do so, but the money probably made that risky.

 

[Covert Rain]

Just what the Suns needed, another guard. Maybe another move to come. I take it this trade has a lot to do with shedding salary.

Yep, I think that's really what this was and to get one of the current players on the roster while doing so. I doubt they make another move though.

 

[Hoop Head]

I'd like to see one or both flipped in a deal. Bit disappointed we couldn't get a 2nd out of the deal.

I do like Cole Anthony though. Solid backup PG that is capable of running an offense and playing solid team defense. He was good in Orlando last year.

 

[Chaplin]

Just for context on 2-way conversions to the regular roster (taken from Gemini):

Converting a two-way player to a standard NBA contract moves their salary onto the team's books, impacting the salary cap and luxury tax calculations.

1. Salary Increase
While on a two-way contract, a player earns a flat rate (typically 50% of the rookie minimum) that does not count toward the team's salary cap or luxury tax.

• Prorated Minimum: Upon conversion, the player’s salary increases to the standard NBA minimum, prorated for the number of days remaining in the season.
• Cap Hit: Only the standard contract portion counts against the salary cap and luxury tax.

2. Luxury Tax & Apron Impact
For high-spending teams like the Suns, converting a player has significant financial weight:

• Tax Multipliers: Because the Suns are over the luxury tax threshold, every dollar added by a converted contract is multiplied by their tax rate.
• Apron Restrictions: Teams above the "Second Apron" face severe trade and draft penalties. Adding even a minimum-salary player could push a team closer to or further over these restrictive lines.

3. Conversion Mechanism

• Unilateral Option: A team can unilaterally convert a two-way deal into a one-year, minimum-salary contract.
• Negotiated Deals: Often, teams use exceptions (like the Mid-Level Exception) to sign the player to a longer, multi-year deal to secure their rights and prevent them from becoming a free agent.
• Roster Requirement: Teams must have a vacant spot on their standard 15-man roster to accommodate the conversion.

 

[BooksOrangePlanet]

we kept the nucleus and are trying to protect the future - draft picks schmaff picks - can't afford any newbies anyways - let's just see what this group can do if we keep it together - sounds like ott doesn't give af about a power forward and values what he has

good luck to richards and nhd btw - good on them for not being a bad vibe while getting passed up for playing time

 

[Mainstreet]

They always had the roster spot to do so, but the money probably made that risky.

Definitely about money and keeping or adding the players they want and need like Bouyea.

 

[Hoop Head]

They always had the roster spot to do so, but the money probably made that risky.

Yeah, that's been the hurdle. Ishbia's pockets are deep but being over the tax line was an issue since it's 3 of the last 4 years over to trigger further penalties like moving picks to the end of the round and higher tax rates.


Another plus to being under the tax, we can sign buyout players. I suspect we'll wait to convert any two-way guys until the dust settles from the deadline to see who is bought out first.

 

[Chaplin]

I think we're $2.2m under now, so obviously that is enough to convert one contract to a minimum, but likely not both.

Reminder that the limit for 2-way player appearances is 50 games, Livers is currently at 28 and Bouyea is at 25, so we're pretty safe for most of the rest of the year, however, if we want one or both of them for the playoffs, something's gotta give.

 

[Proximo]

Anthony's mpg is identical to Bouyea's, so that might be a good comparison. Coffey was far down the rotation with Milwaukee.

Coffey played pretty well last season. I have no idea what happened in Millwaukee, but he might be useful.

Bouyea is better than Anthony in my opinion.

This deal was really just to get under the tax - and we did it without giving up a pick so just that makes it a good deal.

 

[Covert Rain]

I think we're $2.2m under now, so obviously that is enough to convert one contract to a minimum, but likely not both.

Reminder that the limit for 2-way player appearances is 50 games, Livers is currently at 28 and Bouyea is at 25, so we're pretty safe for most of the rest of the year, however, if we want one or both of them for the playoffs, something's gotta give.

If the Suns wanted to tinker in the buyout market now that they are under I guess they could as well.

 

[Mainstreet]

I noticed Cole Anthony is only 25. Maybe another trade coming?

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[Mainstreet]

Hmm. I know a team that needs a point guard.

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