Suns trade ideas for the fall of 2020

[Cheesebeef]

Embarrassing that anyone is even neutral on Rubio/Oubre for Paul, much less upset at the deal.

I will gladly post ~every national NBA writer talking about this one in terms akin to the Hopkins deal if that’s how it goes down.

its not even close to Hopkins ridiculous bad trade.

there’s risks involved and I don’t think it’s a total no-brainer. There’s arguments to be made on both sides. But I think it’s worth the risk. Anyone who thinks another year out of the playoffs isn’t going to really piss off our best player who likes to fashion Laker gear is being naive as to where thats headed.

And if we kept that 10th pick and hit on it with either a PFOTF or PGOTF, boom... we got a present that could be really fun and stable building blocks for the future.

 

[Mainstreet]

There is something else to consider if the Suns traded for Paul.

After two seasons they would clear a ton of cap space that could be used to re-sign players like Ayton and Bridges.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

We are under the cap. We could do it with just Rubio and Oubre.

Correct. That's been the deal discussed on local radio for weeks.

 

[WhyAlwaysMe]

If it's just Rubio and Oubre, and we somehow have a way to acquire a power forward, then if course it is a no brainer for us. The problem is that it will take a lot more than Rubio and Oubre, and we will be left without cap space or trade assets to acquire the starting power forward, back up shooting guard and back-up center we will still need.

Hang on a moment.

I’ve been informed that Ricky + Kelly for Paul is A TERRIBLE TRADE for the Suns. Why would it take “a lot more” than that? I was thinking maybe we get a couple picks as well since it’s such a TERRIBLE TRADE?

 

[1Sun]

Correct. That's been the deal discussed on local radio for weeks.

How many draft picks would we have to give up, and how would we get the starting power forward and bench players we need?

 

[WhyAlwaysMe]

Of course we “somehow have a way” to get a PF.

We would have access to the FULL MLE in the event we do this deal. We can also go over the cap to retain Dario.

Finally, Cam and Mikal can play spot 4 in some configurations (see, the bubble)

 

[Chris_Sanders]

If it's just Rubio and Oubre, and we somehow have a way to acquire a power forward, then if course it is a no brainer for us. The problem is that it will take a lot more than Rubio and Oubre, and we will be left without cap space or trade assets to acquire the starting power forward, back up shooting guard and back-up center we will still need.

You still have the ML exception

 

[Chris_Sanders]

How many draft picks would we have to give up, and how would we get the starting power forward and bench players we need?

None

 

[WhyAlwaysMe]

its not even close to Hopkins ridiculous bad trade.

there’s risks involved and I don’t think it’s a total no-brainer. There’s arguments to be made on both sides. But I think it’s worth the risk. Anyone who thinks another year out of the playoffs isn’t going to really piss off our best player who likes to fashion Laker gear is being naive as to where thats headed.

And if we kept that 10th pick and hit on it with either a PFOTF or PGOTF, boom... we got a present that could be really fun and stable building blocks for the future.

The Hopkins trade was risky too of course. Is his injury risk zero? He plays football. We were never getting him to play a single snap without giving him mucho guaranteed money.

It would be riskier to trot out the guys that brought us to 33 wins than to pick a guy that wins consistently more games. And is the reason why his teams win.

 

[1Sun]

Of course we “somehow have a way” to get a PF.

We would have access to the FULL MLE in the event we do this deal. We can also go over the cap to retain Dario.

Finally, Cam and Mikal can play spot 4 in some configurations (see, the bubble)

We already saw last year that neither Dario nor Cam nor Bridges can start at PF (and Bridges and Cam would be needed at SF anyway). What kind of starting PF could we get for the full MLE???

 

[Cheesebeef]

he plays entire season at 35 and entire next season at 36

he just played a full season missing 2 games?

the cost is ~nothing?

the problem with talking about being healthy all season last year is... he got a 2.5 month break towards the end of it which is why he was probably so fresh at the very end and into the playoffs. Can’t ignore the hiatus and it’s possible positive effect on his body last year.

this def isn’t a no-brainer.

 

[1Sun]

None

Well, that would at least let us use Pick #10 to get a back-up SG or CG. How do we get our power forward, though?

 

[WhyAlwaysMe]

We already saw last year that neither Dario nor Cam nor Bridges can start at PF (and Bridges and Cam would be needed at SF anyway). What kind of starting PF could we get for the full MLE???

Cam started at the 4 the entire bubble tho?

 

[Mainstreet]

Gambo has said Oubre and Rubio is the deal

The Thunder would likely trade at least one or both of the players to a third or fourth team for picks and then use the salary space to absorb more contracts for draft picks. They would make out like bandits.

 

[Finito]

The Hopkins trade was risky too of course. Is his injury risk zero? He plays football. We were never getting him to play a single snap without giving him mucho guaranteed money.

It would be riskier to trot out the guys that brought us to 33 wins than to pick a guy that wins consistently more games. And is the reason why his teams win.

does Hopkins have a long injury history? Oh No? Is he 35 years old? Oh no?

Chris Paul also has a reputation of being a horrible underachiever this isn’t a guy who’s had success in the playoffs at all. Let’s not act like he gots rings cause that’s def not the case

 

[Cheesebeef]

The Hopkins trade was risky too of course. Is his injury risk zero? He plays football. We were never getting him to play a single snap without giving him mucho guaranteed money.

It would be riskier to trot out the guys that brought us to 33 wins than to pick a guy that wins consistently more games. And is the reason why his teams win.

comparing it to the Hopkins deal is ridiculous... and that’s coming from someone who leans toward pulling the trigger if it’s just Rubio and Oubre.

you do that side of the discussion no favors with that reall ridiculous comparison tho.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

The deal is Oubre / Rubio for Paul. Suns keep their pick this year

Not sure about a future but taking on that salary is a lot.

I didn't believe it because it would mean Sarver is spending his ass off when all business sense says not to do it.

It is a great way to sell tickets to a new arena

 

[1Sun]

Cam started at the 4 the entire bubble tho?

And the Suns constantly had to play from behind as a result. Cam can contribute off the bench, but that is clearly his ceiling.

 

[WhyAlwaysMe]

the problem with talking about being healthy all season last year is... he got a 2.5 month break towards the end of it which is why he was probably so fresh at the very end and into the playoffs. Can’t ignore the hiatus and it’s possible positive effect on his body last year.

this def isn’t a no-brainer.

He played 62/64 of the first 64 games? There was about 40 days until the end of the season before the break?

 

[WhyAlwaysMe]

does Hopkins have a long injury history? Oh No? Is he 35 years old? Oh no?

Chris Paul also has a reputation of being a horrible underachiever this isn’t a guy who’s had success in the playoffs at all. Let’s not act like he gots rings cause that’s def not the case

Question: in what sport is an injury more likely?

Question: do otherwise healthy players routinely get sidelined with serious injuries in fluky ways more in NFL or NBA?

 

[WhyAlwaysMe]

And the Suns constantly had to play from behind as a result. Cam can contribute off the bench, but that is clearly his ceiling.

uhhhhhh

they won every game?

 

[Proximo]

It better not just be Rubio and Oubre. We need to ship some dead weight like Ty Jerome, Okobo, Frank or Leque out - hell all of them. None are worth their contracts and we need cap space if we do this.

 

[Cheesebeef]

does Hopkins have a long injury history? Oh No? Is he 35 years old? Oh no?

Chris Paul also has a reputation of being a horrible underachiever this isn’t a guy who’s had success in the playoffs at all. Let’s not act like he gots rings cause that’s def not the case

no ones talking about Chris Paul and rings. People are talking about getting into the playoffs, which Paul has ALWAYS done and did with a ragtag group of guys that everyone thought would be amongst the worst in the west... including most people here.

we’re not getting Paul to win a ring if the deal goes down. We’d be getting him to get these guys into the playoffs and to deliver some defensive nastiness to follows from the top on down.

 

[1Sun]

He played 62/64 of the first 64 games? There was about 40 days until the end of the season before the break?

At his advanced age and mileage, though, his body is right around the corner from breaking down. Not unlike the Suns signing Tyson Chandler or the Cardinals signing Emmitt Smith, only all those signings cost is cap space.

 

[Finito]

He played 62/64 of the first 64 games? There was about 40 days until the end of the season before the break?

And your ignoring all the other years he’s missed significant time. You can’t just pretend like those years didn’t happen for a guy going into what his 16-17 season something like that

that’s a lot of miles on him and if he gets hurt your handcuffed

 

[WhyAlwaysMe]

comparing it to the Hopkins deal is ridiculous... and that’s coming from someone who leans toward pulling the trigger if it’s just Rubio and Oubre.

you do that side of the discussion no favors with that reall ridiculous comparison tho.

I believe Chris Paul has more of an effect on winning NBA games than Hopkins does on winning NFL games. I bet on games and the line shifts bear this out.