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Id like to see Colin start against Utah. We've played them and learned what didn't work. Time we start seeing bigger adjustments.
I wouldn't. Do you not understand he is the only thing that keeps our second unit even marginally competent?

One thing I don't think I will ever understand is fans obsession with starters. The goal is to win the game - that means what is important is keeping competent units playing at all times.
 

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I wouldn't. Do you not understand he is the only thing that keeps our second unit even marginally competent?

One thing I don't think I will ever understand is fans obsession with starters. The goal is to win the game - that means what is important is keeping competent units playing at all times.
We need a legit ball handler IMO that can direct the team. I think you first need to establish who your long term starters are going to be. He looks good playing that role but it's early and the sample size is low.

This isn't about fielding a title team. This is about building for the future. If he is good enough to be the starting PG? He should start. You can continue to tweak the team over the next couple seasons to round out the bench. This team isn't in win now mode.
 

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I would argue that Brooks, while no star, is a quality starter as well. The issue is that in starting Brooks, green and book it’s essentially three similarly sized guys. But I think there are four starting quality players on the team.

Most disappointed in Dunn’s failure to take a step forward this season thus far. It’s only a sophomore season, and it’s still early, but he looks largely like the same player he was last year. There’s a reason he fell to bottom third if the draft. He might just be what he is.
I agree with all this. My thinking if we start Brooks, Green, and Booker, you have to go with Flemming and Williams as the bigs. Both of them can switch off between the both of them, and obviously the three smaller dudes could switch out away from the basket. You are right, it does make us somewhat small with Brooks, Green, and Booker.
 

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Has this guy watched any of the Suns games. Gillespie has been playing. He is playing well in the role he is playing. The problem is the Suns are being easy on WIlliams, with no back to backs. So Williams has missed games. Brooks and Green both have missed significant time. Those are arguably three of our starting five not playing a majority of time in this 1-4 record. Only the very top teams can get by missing 3/5's of their starters. We have less margin for error as it is. We have been way more competitive in these games than we probably should have been taking into account the starting five has yet to play a game this season.
 

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I wouldn't. Do you not understand he is the only thing that keeps our second unit even marginally competent?

One thing I don't think I will ever understand is fans obsession with starters. The goal is to win the game - that means what is important is keeping competent units playing at all times.

Getting off to a good start is important also. Playing from behind for a half or more can be demoralizing, see the last few seasons. I know Gillepsie helps our second unit but he's playing close to starter minutes already. Starting him helps keep the momentum from becoming a real obstacle.
 

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We need a legit ball handler IMO that can direct the team. I think you first need to establish who your long term starters are going to be. He looks good playing that role but it's early and the sample size is low.

This isn't about fielding a title team. This is about building for the future. If he is good enough to be the starting PG? He should start. You can continue to tweak the team over the next couple seasons to round out the bench. This team isn't in win now mode.
This is about having somebody on the court that can create shots. Book does that, maybe Jalen can do that, and Gillespie can do that.

If we have none of them on the second unit, we won't be able to score for crap. We will get Nigel trying to post, and Grayson and Royce launching 25 foot contested 3's.

This isn't that hard to understand. If you put them all in the starting lineup when the backups come in we will get KILLED.
 

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Getting off to a good start is important also. Playing from behind for a half or more can be demoralizing, see the last few seasons. I know Gillepsie helps our second unit but he's playing close to starter minutes already. Starting him helps keep the momentum from becoming a real obstacle.
We are already falling behind in the stretches when the backups come in, why do you want to make that worse - because I guarantee you putting Collin in the starting lineup and letting him touch the ball half as much as he does in the second unit makes him less effective in his minutes.

I am really glad you guys aren't the coach.
 

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We are already falling behind in the stretches when the backups come in, why do you want to make that worse - because I guarantee you putting Collin in the starting lineup and letting him touch the ball half as much as he does in the second unit makes him less effective in his minutes.

I am really glad you guys aren't the coach.

No one said their minutes can't be staggered. Trying a new lineup when the previous failed is a sign of better coaching than continually repeating the same mistakes.
 

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This is about having somebody on the court that can create shots. Book does that, maybe Jalen can do that, and Gillespie can do that.

If we have none of them on the second unit, we won't be able to score for crap. We will get Nigel trying to post, and Grayson and Royce launching 25 foot contested 3's.

This isn't that hard to understand. If you put them all in the starting lineup when the backups come in we will get KILLED.
We have had slow starts so having him in the 2nd unit hasn’t helped this team constantly play from behind. Again, we are not in a win now mode. We should be establishing who the future starters will be.
 

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We are already falling behind in the stretches when the backups come in, why do you want to make that worse - because I guarantee you putting Collin in the starting lineup and letting him touch the ball half as much as he does in the second unit makes him less effective in his minutes.

I am really glad you guys aren't the coach.
Wow. No one here is saying start Colin and then sit his butt for the rest of the game. Start him and give him starter minutes too. If it creates a problem with the second unit, address that when it happens.
 

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We are already falling behind in the stretches when the backups come in, why do you want to make that worse - because I guarantee you putting Collin in the starting lineup and letting him touch the ball half as much as he does in the second unit makes him less effective in his minutes.

I am really glad you guys aren't the coach.

Colin played 27 minutes tonight while had Royce 33 and Grayson 32 and Dunn 31. Williams is a big but he only had 25. On the season Gillepsie averages more minutes than our starting C's, both Williams (24.2) and Oso (17.8) as well as Dunn (23.5). He's 5th in minutes per game behind Book (36.7), Grayson (34.7), Royce (33.2), and Brooks (30.3). Those minutes can be adjusted a little if Green misses more time. Williams starting has been a big plus on it's own but small adjustments to the rotation need to be made. There are minutes for everyone. A small lul when our 2nd unit is in virtually expected and not the end of the world.
 

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