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I didn't realize he put up those numbers.
 

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I didn't realize he put up those numbers.
We were simply a different team when he was in the game. I know it's highly doubtful but if we can keep him healthy, that gives us 3 quality starters (giving Green the benefit here) and a bunch of bench players. Probably not enough to compete at the high end but it could vault us into the play-in wannabe group.
 

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We were simply a different team when he was in the game. I know it's highly doubtful but if we can keep him healthy, that gives us 3 quality starters (giving Green the benefit here) and a bunch of bench players. Probably not enough to compete at the high end but it could vault us into the play-in wannabe group.
We were without Brooks, who would have made a difference in the game, imho. Just based on what we have seen from Brooks.
 
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We were simply a different team when he was in the game. I know it's highly doubtful but if we can keep him healthy, that gives us 3 quality starters (giving Green the benefit here) and a bunch of bench players. Probably not enough to compete at the high end but it could vault us into the play-in wannabe group.

It would take every domino to fall just right, but yes, if everything fell into place, the Suns could compete for a play-in or playoff spot.

However, the Suns need to start winning, stay healthy and figure out how to play defense.

I do consider Mark Williams, Jalen Green and Devin Booker star caliber players, not that they will make the All-Star team this season.

Suns need a wildcard to materialize and they need more size. Collin Gillespie and Rasheer Fleming could be one these type of players.

Dillon Brooks is a solid starter.
 

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It would take every domino to fall just right, but yes, if everything fell into place, the Suns could compete for a play-in or playoff spot.

However, the Suns need to start winning, stay healthy and figure out how to play defense.

I do consider Mark Williams, Jalen Green and Devin Booker star caliber players, not that they will make the All-Star team this season.

Suns need a wildcard to materialize and they need more size. Collin Gillespie and Rasheer Fleming could be one these type of players.

Dillon Brooks is a solid starter.
I'm not really a Brooks fan and not just because he's one of the dirtiest players in the game. I think he does a lot of the little things that help a team win and we obviously need some toughness but if he's a starter, he really needs to be your weakest link. Unfortunatly we have so little talent that he has to fill the role of "star" and he isn't close to that level IMO. I think he has more value to a contending team.
 
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I'm not really a Brooks fan and not just because he's one of the dirtiest players in the game. I think he does a lot of the little things that help a team win and we obviously need some toughness but if he's a starter, he really needs to be your weakest link. He has more value to a contending team IMO.

I'm not going to debate the merits of Dillon Brooks starting, but the Suns can't look like ants out there, less the center position, when the league has gotten bigger.
 

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The Suns are going to be the talk of the league at the midpoint of the season. They're going to start figuring it out starting tonight and when Brooks and Green return they're going to run off a streak of wins.

(I figured somebody has to counteract Steve's recent heel turn. I'm kidding, Steve. Just hope the Suns end up somewhere between our two predictions.)
 

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I'm not going to debate the merits of Dillon Brooks starting, but the Suns can't look like ants out there, less the center position, when the league has gotten bigger.
Yeah, we have good size that we can't use unfortunately. Somehow we need to find a real power forward, not an undersized SG or SF that we force to play out of position. With a little bit of luck we could end up having the best center situation we've ever had (not now, but months from now) but without a real PF we're going to struggle.
 
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Yeah, we have good size that we can't use unfortunately. Somehow we need to find a real power forward, not an undersized SG or SF that we force to play out of position. With a little bit of luck we could end up having the best center situation we've ever had (not now, but months from now) but without a real PF we're going to struggle.

Suns have one in the minors though in Fleming.
 

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We were simply a different team when he was in the game. I know it's highly doubtful but if we can keep him healthy, that gives us 3 quality starters (giving Green the benefit here) and a bunch of bench players. Probably not enough to compete at the high end but it could vault us into the play-in wannabe group.
I would argue that Brooks, while no star, is a quality starter as well. The issue is that in starting Brooks, green and book it’s essentially three similarly sized guys. But I think there are four starting quality players on the team.

Most disappointed in Dunn’s failure to take a step forward this season thus far. It’s only a sophomore season, and it’s still early, but he looks largely like the same player he was last year. There’s a reason he fell to bottom third if the draft. He might just be what he is.
 

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I'm not really a Brooks fan and not just because he's one of the dirtiest players in the game. I think he does a lot of the little things that help a team win and we obviously need some toughness but if he's a starter, he really needs to be your weakest link. Unfortunatly we have so little talent that he has to fill the role of "star" and he isn't close to that level IMO. I think he has more value to a contending team.
I think with green back and Williams more a focal point Brooks needn’t fill a star role.
 

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Yeah, hopefully so. it's not his fault we need a role player to play like a star for us.
There’s no doubt we are low on talent. I was thinking “no way Brooks takes this many shots if green is playing” through the first couple games.
 

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There’s no doubt we are low on talent. I was thinking “no way Brooks takes this many shots if green is playing” through the first couple games.

It's crazy that Brooks averages more FG attempts than Booker right now. 19.7 to 19.4 currently. Booker had 2 extra games with Dillon to help shrink that gap also. In games together the gap is greater with Brooks at 19.7 still and Book at 15.0.

I expected Grayson and Dunn to shoot more but Grayson has more of an excuse since he's been tasked with PG duties.
 

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I would argue that Brooks, while no star, is a quality starter as well. The issue is that in starting Brooks, green and book it’s essentially three similarly sized guys. But I think there are four starting quality players on the team.

Most disappointed in Dunn’s failure to take a step forward this season thus far. It’s only a sophomore season, and it’s still early, but he looks largely like the same player he was last year. There’s a reason he fell to bottom third if the draft. He might just be what he is.
It's very rare someone drafted late in the first round amounts to anything. Most totally washout of the league.

I don't agree with you though, I see improvement in some areas of Dunn's game this season. He is a better rebounder, and his ball handling has improved. It's still not really good enough, but he is at least capable of getting into the lane on his own now - most of the time.

What has backslid though is his defense. He actually played the best defense early last season and it seems to have been downhill ever since.

All that said, I am actually pretty confident he is going to improve. He needs minutes.

I am almost looking forward to us being 5-20 so that they will finally start giving all the young guys playing time.
 

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Interesting vid, oso only looks somewhat terrible shooting, instead of laughably bad. That said it's a long way from prime time, and the form still sucks.

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One thing is clear, on this vid and many other's I have watched - Maluwach is by far the best shooter of our center's.
 

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It's crazy that Brooks averages more FG attempts than Booker right now. 19.7 to 19.4 currently. Booker had 2 extra games with Dillon to help shrink that gap also. In games together the gap is greater with Brooks at 19.7 still and Book at 15.0.

I expected Grayson and Dunn to shoot more but Grayson has more of an excuse since he's been tasked with PG duties.
Hopefully, Brooks will take enough that Booker gets fed up and starts taking more shots. I want the old aggressive Booker back.
 

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It's very rare someone drafted late in the first round amounts to anything. Most totally washout of the league.

I don't agree with you though, I see improvement in some areas of Dunn's game this season. He is a better rebounder, and his ball handling has improved. It's still not really good enough, but he is at least capable of getting into the lane on his own now - most of the time.

What has backslid though is his defense. He actually played the best defense early last season and it seems to have been downhill ever since.

All that said, I am actually pretty confident he is going to improve. He needs minutes.

I am almost looking forward to us being 5-20 so that they will finally start giving all the young guys playing time.
You raise a good point. Last season if he drove the ball was almost invariably stolen or a turnover. I commented on such regularly. Appreciate you keeping me real.
 

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Id like to see Colin start against Utah. We've played them and learned what didn't work. Time we start seeing bigger adjustments.
 

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Id like to see Colin start against Utah. We've played them and learned what didn't work. Time we start seeing bigger adjustments.
Agreed. I want to see how well he adjusts once the opponents start paying closer attention to him. If he can become a reasonable answer to our starting point guard question, that will nail down at least 3 spots for us and give us a much better chance to win our matchups at the 2 and the 5 which should at least keep us in a lot of games. Somehow, we need to turn Richards into a defensive minded forward with length, physicality and an outside shot.
 

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