Suns 2024-2025 Season Discussions

[Proximo]

Trade KD for Jalen green and 2 first rounders. Get it done ishiba

I mean if they are our 1st rounders, I guess.

Gotta say I am not to enthusiastic about Jalen Green anymore. He shows flashes, but does not seem to really understand the game well enough to create good shots for himself.

 

[Phrazbit]

I thought you were being overly dramatic for a while when you’d say there’s no way we can be good for at least a decade. My bad there. I now think you might have been conservative with that take.

This is bad. Like… really bad.

I think an exceptional front office would struggle to make the ruin of this franchise relevant again within the next 7 or 8 years, and I have no reason to think this is a competent group. They don't even remotely understand the problem, much less how to fix it.

The Durant, Beal and Nurkic trades were all tremendously destructive and we still have not even paid half the bill.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

The Nurk fiasco didn't get enough attention - we gave up a first rounder just to get rid of him. This season he'd be heading into the last year of his contract and could be potentially useful as a trade chip.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I mean if they are our 1st rounders, I guess.

Gotta say I am not to enthusiastic about Jalen Green anymore. He shows flashes, but does not seem to really understand the game well enough to create good shots for himself.

I go back and forth on Green, especially after such an awful playoff performance. But he’s still REALLY young and maybe he needed a humbling like he got here.

And I’d expect more besides him and our two firsts. I think I’d hold out for Eason or Jabari or push hard for Reed Sheppard at the expense of one of our picks. He’s the PG they drafted last year from Kentucky who was buried on the bench, and I’d hope against hope that we could basically replicate the Larry Nance Cavs deal and Sheppard could end up our KJ-esque PGOTF.

If we somehow got Sheppard, Green and a pick, I’d be ecstatic.

Then I’d trade Booker for all the picks in the world. Start fresh with a Sheppard/Green backcourt, picks and cap room.

All that said, none of this will happen. We will try to make a KD trade that still leaves us “in contention” (whatever the frack that means) and screw ourselves for the future even more… if that’s even possible.

 

[Hoop Head]

The Nurk fiasco didn't get enough attention - we gave up a first rounder just to get rid of him. This season he'd be heading into the last year of his contract and could be potentially useful as a trade chip.

James Jones never valued expiring contracts. In his first year as GM he bought out Tyson Chandler before the season started rather than hanging onto him to mentor rookie Ayton until he's moved as an expiring. Tyson immediately signed in LA as the Lakers needed a Center and were rumored to be interested in Chandler before Jones decided to give him away.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I think an exceptional front office would struggle to make the ruin of this franchise relevant again within the next 7 or 8 years, and I have no reason to think this is a competent group. They don't even remotely understand the problem, much less how to fix it.

Nah. if this team was smart and dealt Booker and KD this offseason, they’d get back a boatload of picks, cap space, young players. And if we had the minds needed to do well in the draft, they could become relevant again within four years. Not contenders, but a solid up and coming club for the future that could start challenging for a bottom half playoff spot.

Unfortunately we have a mediocre/failed College Head Coach/Ish’s buddy calling the shots so we’re fracked up the poop shoot with a baseball bat shoved so high up there, we’ll be pulling wood chips out of our cheeks (both up high and down below) for a decade.

 

[BirdGangThing]

i don't think we'll have any problems at all getting a big name coach - im pretty sure he can get any coach he wants - the guy has fired 3 coaches in the last 23 months - vogel got 31 million for coaching one year - ish still owes him 25 million - bud got 50 million for coaching one year - ish still owes him 40 million - i mean who in their right mind wouldn't want to come here because ish is like a lannister - he always pays his debts - what's the next guy gonna get? 70 million? to coach one year?

or is ish going to get a coach he can coach - because i also don't think vogel or bud listened to a damn word ish had to say about who should play - vogel made his roster and set it on repeat - i still don't know what ish did but he damn sure wasn't taking pointers - two control freaks - that must've been a fun room

but back to ish's new coach - i'm thinking it won't be some og bad ass or well known young up and comer - i think it'll be another gregory and i hope i'm wrong as balls on this but ish is already 83 million in the hole and needs to add yet another head coach to the payroll

 

[Yuma]

James Jones never valued expiring contracts. In his first year as GM he bought out Tyson Chandler before the season started rather than hanging onto him to mentor rookie Ayton until he's moved as an expiring. Tyson immediately signed in LA as the Lakers needed a Center and were rumored to be interested in Chandler before Jones decided to give him away.

Seems the Suns were not going to play him.

“They weren’t gonna play me. They were gonna go younger again, and I’ve been through that for three years,” said Chandler, according to Gina Mizell of The Athletic. “I think they felt it (was) right by me to allow me to go where I wanted to go and continue. I was appreciative of it. Regardless of (Phoenix’s) record, regardless of whatever happened, I love those guys over there. Those young guys that I went to battle with, they were always good at listening. It was never bad.

“Regardless of the losing situation, those are all good dudes over there. I didn’t have any bitter taste in my mouth while I was leaving. It was all positive, and I was appreciative (of) them allowing me to go. I think it was a good thing on both ends. I did what I could do while I was there, and they gave me the opportunity (to move on) when it came.”

 

[Yuma]

One cool factoid about our new GM, is when he played basketball at Navy, he was a team mate of David Robinson.

 

[Hoop Head]

Seems the Suns were not going to play him.

It really doesnt matter whether we planned on playing him or not, we should have shopped him as an expiring. Ayton also needed a mentor. It was one of the first moves JJ made and showed what he thought of expiring deals. He never used them as trade chips. Chandler was the first but wasn't the last misused piece. He was the first who came to mind though since the discussion is about expiring deals for starting centers. That's who Tyson was here.

 

[Mainstreet]

Seems the Suns were not going to play him.

It's not like Jae Crowder didn't have value. James Jones was saving him to use in a trade.

The Bucks traded 5 second round picks for him, in the multi-team trade that sent Durant to the Suns.

 

[Hoop Head]

It's not like Jae Crowder didn't have value. James Jones was saving him to use in a trade.

The Bucks traded 5 second round picks for him, in the multi-team trade that sent Durant to the Suns.

And there was the rumored Rui Hachimura deal as well. Hachimura would be an excellent addition on this squad. It would have given us Cam Johnson insurance in case he was too pricy to retain.

 

[Mainstreet]

And there was the rumored Rui Hachimura deal as well. Hachimura would be an excellent addition on this squad. It would have given us Cam Johnson insurance in case he was too pricy to retain.

It seemed like the Suns front office was wearing blinders. It's so frustrating looking back.

 

[Yuma]

I am just waiting to see how they work their way out of this. They seem so crazy, they just might run it back again. I wouldn't bet against anything at this point. Especially with some of the stuff our new GM said.

 

[Mainstreet]

I am just waiting to see how they work their way out of this. They seem so crazy, they just might run it back again. I wouldn't bet against anything at this point. Especially with some of the stuff our new GM said.

It wouldn't shock me if the Suns don't try to run it back if Durant's trade value is low.

I'm thinking Beal is already gone.

 

[Chaplin]

It wouldn't shock me if the Suns don't try to run it back if Durant's trade value is low.

I'm thinking Beal is already gone.

If we are able to offload Beal, guaranteed they will lean towards keeping KD next season.

 

[Mainstreet]

If we are able to offload Beal, guaranteed they will lean towards keeping KD next season.

You may well be right. This may be why the Suns didn't go after a big name GM because they live in a topsy-turvy world right now.

If I were to guess, the Suns have a buyout and stretch agreement with Beal's agent that will get them below the second tax apron along with lesser trades.

 

[Yuma]

You may well be right. This may be why the Suns didn't go after a big name GM because they live in a topsy-turvy world right now.

If I were to guess, the Suns have a buyout and stretch agreement with Beal's agent that will get them below the second tax apron along with lesser trades.

Then he literally can go anywhere he wants. He will be cheap at mid level exception.

 

[Cheesebeef]

If we are able to offload Beal, guaranteed they will lean towards keeping KD next season.

Really? Why do you think this? There’s been a bunch of reports that the Suns have already talked to KD and will facilitate a trade for him and after we tried to deal him without him knowing this season, he probably ain’t keen on coming back, especially since we stink.

I think KD is gone regardless.

 

[Yuma]

Really? Why do you think this? There’s been a bunch of reports that the Suns have already talked to KD and will facilitate a trade for him and after we tried to deal him without him knowing this season, he probably ain’t keen on coming back, especially since we stink.

I think KD is gone regardless.

I've read a few where the Suns may not be done with KD. I think they only want to move him because Beal has them over a barrel. KD would be easier to move than Beal. Like Chap said, if they somehow get rid of Beal, and get under the second apron with KD, I wouldn't put it past them to dabble around the edges on this team again.

 

[Mainstreet]

Really? Why do you think this? There’s been a bunch of reports that the Suns have already talked to KD and will facilitate a trade for him and after we tried to deal him without him knowing this season, he probably ain’t keen on coming back, especially since we stink.

I think KD is gone regardless.

If I may respond as well, few NBA contenders are going to give Durant a 2-year contract and I read somewhere he wanted 3 years. This limits his market.

Maybe a team like the Heat might be interested, but I'm not seeing a lot of attractive options.

 

[Cheesebeef]

If I may respond as well, few NBA contenders are going to give Durant a 2-year contract and I read somewhere he wanted 3 years. This limits his market.

Maybe a team like the Heat might be interested, but I'm not seeing a lot of attractive options.

I think you guys might be undervaluing KD’s worth. From all reports there were apparently something like 4 teams calling at the trade deadline, with a possible bounty coming from a 3 way trade that would have netted us Butler, Kuminga and two first round picks in a Warriors deal that was agreed upon until KD apparently put the kibosh on it. As for giving KD more years at huge money, any of the other teams had to know they’d have to pony up a big contract the same way GS did with Butler. And after some of these squads get knocked out of the playoffs early, there might be more.

 

[Mainstreet]

I think you guys consistently undervalue KD’s worth. From all reports there were apparently something like 4 teams calling at the trade deadline. Any of them had to know they’d have to pony up a big contract the same way GS did with Butler. And after some of these squads get knocked out of the playoffs early, there might be more.

I hope you are right, nothing would please me more, but I'm not counting on it.

 

[Raindog]

Nah. if this team was smart and dealt Booker and KD this offseason, they’d get back a boatload of picks, cap space, young players. And if we had the minds needed to do well in the draft, they could become relevant again within four years. Not contenders, but a solid up and coming club for the future that could start challenging for a bottom half playoff spot.

Unfortunately we have a mediocre/failed College Head Coach/Ish’s buddy calling the shots so we’re fracked up the poop shoot with a baseball bat shoved so high up there, we’ll be pulling wood chips out of our cheeks (both up high and down below) for a decade.

It's exactly what OKC did when they hit the limit with their superstars, and used them as trade bait to create their future rebuild. Of course, they had enough foresight not to dump all of their future picks in the first place.

 

[Raindog]

James Jones never valued expiring contracts. In his first year as GM he bought out Tyson Chandler before the season started rather than hanging onto him to mentor rookie Ayton until he's moved as an expiring. Tyson immediately signed in LA as the Lakers needed a Center and were rumored to be interested in Chandler before Jones decided to give him away.

Another of many reasons that the narrative that Jones was in any way a "good" GM needs to be put to bed for good. The reality is that he fell ass backward into a couple lucky breaks and acted like he was some kind of savant who knew more than anyone else thereafter.