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But you realize the NBA owners can’t just do this unilaterally, right? The players would have to sign off on what you’re talking about and I see no reason they’d do so.

Also, bringing up FA versus the Beal situation fails to recognize that FA effected the entire league of players and I’m pretty sure needed the courts to finally grant the players FA. What you’re talking about is the league upending contract rules because one team is stuck with a terrible contract, that they knowingly entered into.
All true. But you can easily look at the other side of it too. I am looking at it from the owners view and you from the players. All these things have come together from both sides. I remember people saying free agency would never happen because why would the owners ever give up their control? Things are always one way, until they are not.
 

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All true. But you can easily look at the other side of it too. I am looking at it from the owners view and you from the players. All these things have come together from both sides. I remember people saying free agency would never happen because why would the owners ever give up their control? Things are always one way, until they are not.
The owners didn’t give up control. They were FORCED to give up control by the courts/government because of something effected the entirety of the league.

Are you intimating something like that could happen because of ONE bad contract/situation in the entire league?
 

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The owners didn’t give up control. They were FORCED to give up control by the courts/government because of something effected the entirety of the league.

Are you intimating something like that could happen because of ONE bad contract/situation in the entire league?
Not even worth arguing. This is a non-thing.
 
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The owners didn’t give up control. They were FORCED to give up control by the courts/government because of something effected the entirety of the league.

Are you intimating something like that could happen because of ONE bad contract/situation in the entire league?
This whole thing is getting WAY out of hand. I said if it went to the worst possible outcome, and I kept putting IF in CAPS, and explaining the worst possible outcome, then owners would take issue. True if it's just the Suns problem no-one cares. If it goes Viral with Bradley Beal continuing to go tone deaf with fans, and saying he doesn't give an F, fans could start booing him in games, and saying nasty things like a fan already has. I could see where if this goes bad, owners wouldn't stand for that.

Again, I am saying only if this goes really bad.
 

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That hurts to read and recall also. The Nash years after Stat went to NY are best forgotten.

I do take some issue with Shannon Brown mentioning Kawhi as a potential draft candidate for the Suns. We took Markieff, who was fine here as a #13 pick, and while Kawhi did end up becoming a HOF level player over his career, I believe he needed to go to San Antonio. That time with Duncan, Popovich, and whole organization helped push him. At best I think he tops out as a Mikal Bridges or Anunoby type wing if he didn't get to experience the back to back finals vs the Heat under Popovich's tutelage. I also believe Duncan being a reserved superstar helped give Kawhi a roadmap of sorts to follow since Kawhi was never going to be a marketable star in the same vein as a Lebron, Curry, Durant, or Wade.

I agree with Shannon and feel for him in regards to everything else but trying to tie Kawhi into the story is revisionist history.
 

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Wonder if we can flip Beal to the Mavs for Kyrie. Although this is a bad move on paper, with Kyrie being out and us needing to think more longterm, perhaps we can move Beal + draft picks (2025, 2029) for Kyrie. We can then probably move Kyrie if he decides to come back next season, before the trade deadline for some sort of FRP/expiring contract package to a contender.

This clears out a lot of capspace for us in 2026. You can then trade KD for some draft picks and expiring contracts, and really begin a real re-build, geared towards the 2026 and 2027 offseasons.

Mavs may do it because Nico is Nico, but also because they need to get a starting guard with Kyrie out. They don't have enough playmaking. Beal/Flagg/AD gives them some playmaking to balance out the PG duties. As it stands their best ballhandler may be Flagg, a rookie. The 2025 pick would help them get more longtern pieces around Flagg, as their window has changed now with Flagg coming in. They don't need to absolutely win now, as they did with before the situation with getting Flagg.
 
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Wonder if we can flip Beal to the Mavs for Kyrie. Although this is a bad move on paper, with Kyrie being out and us needing to think more longterm, perhaps we can move Beal + draft picks (2025, 2029) for Kyrie. We can then probably move Kyrie if he decides to come back next season, before the trade deadline for some sort of FRP/expiring contract package to a contender.

This clears out a lot of capspace for us in 2026. You can then trade KD for some draft picks and expiring contracts, and really begin a real re-build, geared towards the 2026 and 2027 offseasons.

Mavs may do it because Nico is Nico, but also because they need to get a starting guard with Kyrie out. They don't have enough playmaking. Beal/Flagg/AD gives them some playmaking to balance out the PG duties. As it stands their best ballhandler may be Flagg, a rookie. The 2025 pick would help them get more longtern pieces around Flagg, as their window has changed now with Flagg coming in. They don't need to absolutely win now, as they did with before the situation with getting Flagg.
I understand if we trade Beal we have to give up draft picks. I say just be patient. We really only have this upcoming season we have to have him on the team. Then we are down to where we could buy out and waive reasonably, or just plain waive him after another half season. He would be an expiring contract at that point and we might get lucky. We have to quit jettisoning our picks. We have eaten the majority of his contract, now is the time to be patient. Worst case scenario we do the buy out and stretch this season, and eat $17 million in dead money for five seasons. I am in the camp it sucks having him. There's a saying in the Army, embrace the suck. That's what the Suns need to do. Just build like he's a bonus piece at best, but don't expect anything out of him.

If Nico is Nico, and we throw in a second round pick or two, so be it.
 

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I understand if we trade Beal we have to give up draft picks. I say just be patient. We really only have this upcoming season we have to have him on the team. Then we are down to where we could buy out and waive reasonably, or just plain waive him after another half season. He would be an expiring contract at that point and we might get lucky. We have to quit jettisoning our picks. We have eaten the majority of his contract, now is the time to be patient. Worst case scenario we do the buy out and stretch this season, and eat $17 million in dead money for five seasons. I am in the camp it sucks having him. There's a saying in the Army, embrace the suck. That's what the Suns need to do. Just build like he's a bonus piece at best, but don't expect anything out of him.

If Nico is Nico, and we throw in a second round pick or two, so be it.
Kyrie should be back by next season’s playoffs which is all that matters for Dallas. Plus Beal has one more year on his deal and it’s a $57m player option and he’s not a sure thing to be healthy. Dallas should go the other way and trade AD for assets that fit Flagg’s timeline.
 
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Kyrie should be back by next season’s playoffs which is all that matters for Dallas. Plus Beal has one more year on his deal and it’s a $57m player option and he’s not a sure thing to be healthy. Dallas should go the other way and trade AD for assets that fit Flagg’s timeline.
100% guarantee. I really can't think of a situation Beal fits, unless he takes a buy out. In theory if another team is only paying him an MLE, then what he brings, even with missing games for injury, makes a lot more sense. I think we are stuck with Beal. We just have to see how long the Suns will be patient on this.
 

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Kyrie should be back by next season’s playoffs which is all that matters for Dallas. Plus Beal has one more year on his deal and it’s a $57m player option and he’s not a sure thing to be healthy. Dallas should go the other way and trade AD for assets that fit Flagg’s timeline.

I don’t know if they risk Kyrie coming back early like that. Wouldn’t surprise me if they held him out the same way the Nuggets did Murray after he tore his ACL late in the 2021 season, letting him take the full 21-22 season off.
 

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I don’t know if they risk Kyrie coming back early like that. Wouldn’t surprise me if they held him out the same way the Nuggets did Murray after he tore his ACL late in the 2021 season, letting him take the full 21-22 season off.
Kyrie is past his prime and in the last year of his deal so I don’t think it’s much of a risk. Murray was a foundational piece for Denver going forward. Would be hilarious if Nico did another asinine shortsighted trade like Flagg and fillers for Giannis.
 
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I appreciate the post! I will take as much Suns news as I can get!

It's the slow time of the NBA calendar. IDK how many Devin Booker will not be traded articles. KD trades, too. Patience as a Suns fan will have to be long. They are saying we won't see any KD or Beal movement now until after the draft. It's going to be a tough off season.
I would think they'd want to make the KD trade before the draft unless we're not getting any picks back but that would be ridiculous. The draft is on the 25th (& 26th) of this month.
 

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I would think they'd want to make the KD trade before the draft unless we're not getting any picks back but that would be ridiculous. The draft is on the 25th (& 26th) of this month.
Because they’re keeping Booker, my guess is they look for rotation pieces over picks to “rebook” even though it’s obvious they need to straight up rebuild.

And they are idiots if that’s the plan.
 

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Kyrie is past his prime and in the last year of his deal so I don’t think it’s much of a risk. Murray was a foundational piece for Denver going forward. Would be hilarious if Nico did another asinine shortsighted trade like Flagg and fillers for Giannis.

I really don’t see it in Flagg. I’d trade him in a heart beat for Giannis. People forget Giannis is only 30.
 

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