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  1. Ouchie-Z-Clown

    Ouchie-Z-Clown I'm better than Mulli!

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    Harry ASFN Consultant and Senior Writer

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    Both are outstanding. I think Collins is more versatile so I’d lean to him. He fits where the defense seems headed.
     
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    Waddle is the pick
     
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    Paye was another guy I was late on but his comps fit as a 3-4 edge better than I thought. He is a bit stiff but so are Ingram and Golden who share his build.
     
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    I think we will draft a cb at some point. But thier are no patrick petersons in the draft, don't expect any of them to step in, start and do well.

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    I wouldn’t mind seeing Collins/Parsons and Simmons push each other and wreak havoc on D.
     
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    He put 15 lbs on in 2 weeks. I'm guessing he could lose it again just as easily depending who drafts him.
     
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    Do those wanting Waddle not have any issue with the fact he played 70% in the slot when we need a true outside guy?
     
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    To be honest he is effective everywhere
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    How would anyone know?

    Of his 591 yards last year 495 of them came from the slot.

    Of the 96 remaining 65 of them came from screens.

    So he had 31 yards as an outside receiver on 45 routes lined up outside. (45 outside, 96 slot)

    I'm not buying it. There's nowhere near enough evidence to say he's good everywhere.
     
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    football karma Happy in the pretense of knowledge

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    so do you pass on an awesome slot guy to take a decent outside guy?

    drafts are a five to ten year exercise
     
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    No. Not at all. I also don’t agree that we need an outside guy, right now at least. If anything we need a slot weapon.
     
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    I'm fine with drafting him to play slot but the overall narrative here has been that Kirk should move inside permanently to play slot as he is better suited there and we need a WR2 to play outside if/when AJ Green goes or if Green is injured.

    Waddle doesn't fit if that is the case.

    And an argument can me made about why potentially have 2 slot guys in Kirk and Waddle and no good outside WR2?

    I think Bateman can be a superb outside receiver in the NFL and you wouldn't need to trade up to get him, as you likely would with Waddle.

    I think I would rather have Nuk, Kirk, Green, Bateman plus a 3rd round RB next year than Nuk, Kirk, Green, Waddle and no 3rd round pick next year (or potentially 2nd).
     
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    Weddle with his speed and catching ability can play outside too, but I would prefer to use his quickness all over the field, with those cuts can get separation everywhere
    I watched some great catches from him also on the outside
    The fact is tall like Kirk and a bit taller then Isabella doesn't mean he can't play there, is much better in every categories
    Thinking about the Chiefs, they don't have a true outside receiver but guys that can move everywhere and make damages with their quickness and speed
    Our offense need guys like this
     
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    a couple thoughts:

    Kirk is a FA next year who has shown flashes but not consistency. Still a ?, so i dont let his presence alter my draft plans.

    I also think that we dont always appreciate the tiers between players that can be greater than the rankings imply. Waddle might only be 10-14 overall spots higher than Bateman, but NFL teams might consider the gap to be very large.

    and BTW: that is the only scenario where i would trade up: if i were convinced that Waddle is the next coming of Tyreek Hill....i.e. the gap between him and players available at 16 would be gigantic
     

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