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  1. slanidrac16

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    I guess if you have a GREAT front 7 they will make your db’s much better.
    The more I think about it a cb will take a couple of years to develop and probably won’t add much this year. Maybe a huge edge rusher or a LB. like Collins would be the prudent move.
     
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    Chopper0080 2021 - Prove It

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    What I like about these top players

    1 - Kyle Pitts has a little versatility and Kyler has shown a preference to throw high to big WRs. Pitts has Mike Evans type skills and offers plus blocking skills for a WR (not a TE).

    2 - Ja'Marr Chase has nice RAC skill set but has shown he can plat outside. Can do a lot of different things but if you look at the missed opportunities of Kirk across the middle last year, Chase has a more aggressive run style.

    3 - Jaylen Waddle can come in as a niche player and get adjusted to the league on offense while impacting the roster as a return man. Lots of value there and offers a speed element that our offense lacks. He shows the skill set to do more as well which gives him even more potential.

    4 Rashawn Slater has an ability to start across the line. He is technically sound. Whether it is LG, RG, RT or LT Slater can fit anywhere and would give us a long term option on the line.

    5 - Same for AVT.

    6 - Sewell would be more of a RT option behind Beachum for year 1 but would give a nice pair of bookends hopefully long term. Probably would mean Jones sticks inside.

    7 - Horn is a physical, press man CB. Similar attitude to Malcolm Butler and would not back down physically in the NFC West.

    8 - Same for Surtain.

    9 - Zaven Collins offers versatility as an off-ball LB. Great thing is that he is comfortable playing in space which is the problem with most larger LBs. His skill set would keep him on the field so you would be getting snap value. Probably limited impact year 1 outside of injury with Golden, Hicks and Jones on the roster. Off the wall opportunity would be if Cardinals put Simmons at SS in base and took Hicks off the field in sub. Doubt it would happen but it would work in theory. Would be a very Kuechly/Davis duo and the middle of the field would be covered for the foreseable future with Baker as well.

    10 - Kwity Paye is very Melvin Ingram-esque who went to a 3-4 team at 18 over all. Vance may like longer EDGE players but Paye would be primed to take over for Golden or Jones and is very athletic and very physical. I prefer longer EDGE guys, but Paye's size comps to Golden with more athleticism and not having to start right away are intriguing. 6'2 262 4.52 40 and 35.5 vert. His 3 cone is superb. 36 reps at the bench.
     
  3. Stout

    Stout Hold onto the ball, Murray!

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    Except that just sets the clock back on addressing the development of the CB position. I don't want us to punt on the position in the draft.
     
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    Totally get your point and I agree. However, a CB will probably not contribute in a major way as a rookie. With the apparent attitude with Keim of “ Going all in” I’m kinda getting the feeling we are going to draft a player that can have the biggest impact this year.
    Truth be said if we get a great player it will be the right player.
     
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    Stout Hold onto the ball, Murray!

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    Yeah, but he's really, REALLY set us up for failure next year, and I don't see us succeeding at all with this "all in" effort. I'd rather have a bit more of the future certain, honestly.
     
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    Harry, question, if both Parsons and Collins are there at 16 who do you pick?
     
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    Drafting ILBs in the 1st back-to-back years really disgusts me.

    Cant believe Keim has such a hard-on for ILBs.
     
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    But if he's drafting him to play OLB?
     
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    Then why not just draft a current OLB instead of a ILB *projecting* to be a OLB then?
     
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    Because the roles are different. The way we use the LOLB he has a lot of work to do in space and in coverage which Collins is very comfortable with and has the size and speed to work the edge too. .

    More versatility basically.
     
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    Same versatility offered by Simmons, but spent most of the time on the bench
    Ye he had to learn the position and they were more comfortable with Campbell, who is an average ilb

    To be honest I would prefer a guy like Ossai to play OLB, same size almost, more athletic and play his natural position and moreover u can draft him at 49
     
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    What you like about Collins is he makes plays on the ball, INT's and fumbles. The other stuff looks good yes but some guys just have a nose for the ball and he seems to. Admittedly all of the turnovers were in his last year but it's awfully impressive to see a guy who has size and pass rush skill also have 4 INT's in one season
     
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    At 270 lbs(!!!) I don’t think see that coverage ability translating at a high level at all.
     
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    football karma Happy in the pretense of knowledge

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    on Collins

    for goodness sakes, if you take the guy, lets play him at the spot he excelled at in college.
     

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