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Some Thoughts on QBs
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at this time of the year -- there are always guys talked about like this (i.e .... take him in the 2nd) that end up being drafted in round 1.
Mahomes for one. JJ McCarthy is another. Even Jayden Daniels (maybe a bit earlier than this) wasnt talked about like a 1st round pick
basic truth is,..if you think a QB is worth pick 40-50 or so...you better just take him in the first
Simpson is closer to being Desmond Ridder than he is to being Mac Jones. I think this is 2022 all over again where early mock drafts had Malik Willis, Pickett, and Matt Coral as top picks.
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I think we're going to see a lot of crappy QBs mocked to us this off season. When there aren't clear cut studs all these "professional" draft analysts just cram QBs into the first round. They have no idea what qualifies as a 1st round QB until the combine when they can get inside info about which players teams are interested in.
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Yet another interesting guy. He has a lot of advanced skills on the mental side. He’s the top in his class at reading defenses. He’s especially quick at recognizing favorable matchups and throwing accurate short and middle range passes. He has been erratic with his deep throws. He’s not a dual threat QB as he will only run under pressure. Mensah is too light and will have to bulk up. Oddly despite diagnosing defenses quickly, he fails to get the ball out quickly enough at times.
He has caused concerned about his ability to consistently deal with pressure as he’s committed too many turnovers. Smart guy with decent athleticism who could be an interesting project. He’s day 2-3. Definitely not a starter early in his career. Thanks for asking.
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What Simpson showed was he was less polished and poised than believed. His lack of experience is a factor. That doesn’t change his skill level. The big concern there is can he throw deep? On shorter throws he is excellent at leading receivers and ball placement. Most have his failure risk at 25%. That makes him risky for a super early pick. However if he comes out some OC will grab his believing he has the answers.
So we take a RT. If we have to trade into the latter part of the first round would Mensah be worthy of that or is a guy like Nuesmier(sp?) or Beck a lower risk?
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I don’t like Beck at all.
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Would you rather trade up for Moore or take Nuss top of round 2?
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Trade for Moore. He would need a bit of the Mahomes/Love treatment of sitting but he has talent.
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Tough one; the price will be very high. Where the Cards sit now 3 teams in front of them want QBs. The Titans pick will be too low. Depending on their scouting, the Raiders may sit tight and take Moore. However, they might trade up to one. Let’s assume that’s what happens. The Jets have far more picks to offer than the Cards. Cleveland has a better pick to offer in round 1, the Cards in round 2. Imwould guess Cleveland will be projected to have better picks in 2027. I just don’t see how the Cards could out bid both. To do so would cost too much IMO. I’d settle for Nussmeier, but make the trades I mentioned.
Yeah, you are right. However, I spent some time yesterday studying Mensah some more, and he could very easily be worthy of a round 1 pick. He is very talented. Also, he might be a sophomore, but he has been a starter for two seasons. He has many more starts than Dante Moore and Ty Simpson, for example.
I'm going to wait as I said before until after the combines. I just have this gut feeling that Allar is going to show at the combines and be back in the talks about being a legit QB. I have watched his games for the pass three years and there is no doubt he has all the physical skills you want in a QB. The question is does he have it between his ears. I have seen him perform at a high level going through progressions, throwing receivers open, looking off the safeties, etc. and then at times look like a deer in the headlights.
He is behind the eight ball having a QB coach at PSU that was barely out of college himself and had no QB coaching experience and then on top of that you had the Franklin ear worm buzzing constantly in his brain. Allar's final drafting spot will depend more on his interviews than on his physical traits.
Allar could end up being approaching Josh Allen status or could end up being Josh Rosen status. That's how wide of a range he is at right now.
He is behind the eight ball having a QB coach at PSU that was barely out of college himself and had no QB coaching experience and then on top of that you had the Franklin ear worm buzzing constantly in his brain. Allar's final drafting spot will depend more on his interviews than on his physical traits.
Allar could end up being approaching Josh Allen status or could end up being Josh Rosen status. That's how wide of a range he is at right now.
Doesn't matter who we select
Who on this staff can coach a QB up and teach them what it takes to succeed
We haven't seen any kind of evidence to that effect
Who on this staff can coach a QB up and teach them what it takes to succeed
We haven't seen any kind of evidence to that effect
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Let’s start with he’s 6’3” and weighs only 205. It’s fine to say he should bulk up, but that could well impact his throwing and mobility. Getting to 230 could take 2 years if he can even do it. They tell him not to run because of injury risk. When he did run he averaged 2.2 yards a carry. He fell apart down the stretch committing 6 turnover against Army & Memphis. He struggled throwing deep. I don’t think he even comes out. He’s day 2 at best.
He has skills. He reads defenses, he looks off safeties and he spots mismatches. His release is slow but he completes a high percentage of passes. Best to wait a year and see if he can produce a more durable physique.
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Things have changed.
Darian Mensah reportedly going back to Duke for 2026
Mateer and Simpson under the bright lights tonight.
High stakes game should tell us some about each prospect.
High stakes game should tell us some about each prospect.
Jayden Daniels was 6’3, 210 when he was drafted. C.J. Stroud was 6’3, 214. Mensah is likely closer to 6’2, so when you adjust for that, the weight is about the same.
We can discuss what is smart, but history shows that your worries are unfounded.
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Stat that might only interest me:
Indiana QB's the last two years (both Cignetti offenses)
Rourke went 11-2 last year and got drafted in the 7th round.
Mendoza could go #1 overall.
Indiana QB's the last two years (both Cignetti offenses)
Rourke went 11-2 last year and got drafted in the 7th round.
Mendoza could go #1 overall.
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Better frames to add on.
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after nearly 2 quarters of OU / Bama:
Mateer: hard no. weird, side arm-y sling that isnt accurate
Simpson: meh. when everything works, he looks good. When it isnt, not so much
Mateer: hard no. weird, side arm-y sling that isnt accurate
Simpson: meh. when everything works, he looks good. When it isnt, not so much
No to both of them
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Simpson helped himself with 2 good long passes in the playoff game. He had some misses too. He’s not targeted as an immediate starter, but on potential. If he’s there when the Cards pick, they should take him. Spending a lot to move up to get him is dicey.
