Simmons, Herbert or Brown

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  1. Cbus cardsfan

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    Not even a discussion. Simmons.
     
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    6'4" - 230.

    Probably more weight at the Combine and considerably more on that frame over a career.
     
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    I know Vance sucks. I know all his teams have struggled with TEs.

    I'd take Wills or Wirfs.
     
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    If it does go like that, you should trade down.
     
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    The dude led the Clemson Tigers in Passes defended AND tackles for loss.

    A true Unicorn
     
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    about the only nit on Simmons is that he seems like a finesse player -- not physical.

    a really, really effective finesse player
     
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    Kinlaw or trade down.
     
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    Young, Brown, Okudah, and Simmons are the defensive elites in this draft. If, unfortunately they are all gone along with the three qb's before our pick, we'd find ourselves with the pick of every offensive player in the draft for ourselves since we don't need a qb. Every lineman, wideout, and back are still sitting there.
    It'd be hard to move down. Just take the best tackle right there, if all the defensive studs are gone. Guys like Kinlaw, Chaisson, and Espensa are a tier down and aren't top 10 overall guys.

    ps: Simmons is the only player in this draft I'd trade UP for. He'll go #3, 4, or 7.
     
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    Don't believe it. They're trying to move the pick, imo.
     
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    Except we haven’t been able to cover a TE for years...
     
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    https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2019/fantasy-points-against-TE.htm


    Compare the recent season to the previous 3-4 seasons or however far back you want to go.


    Also, do the same thing with Denver, but from 2017 to 2018 when they had better defensive personnel than in 2019.




    You tell me what stands out.
     
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    Wow
    Wilks know how to limitate tigh ends :D

    BTW Vance Joseph defensive schemes are friendly for opponents tigh ends
     
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    Harry when you mention Hamler do you mean outside the first round or in the first round? You said small but very fast but the concern on him is he's already missed essentially 2 full seasons of football due to injuries, senior year of HS and his first year in college(ACL in college not sure what the HS injury was). So for a 20 year old kid he's already had a fairly serious injury history, his medical reports are going to be huge for him.
     
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    At this point his height may drop him to round three. My thinking was to use the acquired third round pick. If he outruns Ruggs at the Combine, all bets are off. His performance last says he’ll pass the medical exam. No one I’ve talked with has a red flag on him.
     
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    What can Brown do for you... a lot Arizona Cardinals :)
     
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