Path to the draft....trades, rumors, etc

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  1. Krangthebrain

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    If you'd rather have Tim Hightower than James Conner...I don't know what else to say.

    Conner has been to a Pro Bowl.
     
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    Krangthebrain Captain of Team Murray

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    Nick Foles is the greatest QB of all time?

    It's not ridiculous to use the Eagles, because it has been done. And it's been done with multiple teams. Teams with top RBs don't really win Super Bowls anymore. QB success is what all of this points to.
     
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    Stout Hold onto the ball, Murray!

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    Haha Because we all know THAT'S a true barometer of talent.
     
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    Stout Hold onto the ball, Murray!

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    I...did not notice that. My bad.
     
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    No Solar. This was already debunked in this thread.

    Eli Manning didn't have a great running back. 2015 Peyton didn't have a great running back. Nick Foles didn't have a great running back. Jimmy G didn't have a great running back. Matt Ryan didn't have a great running back, he had Freeman that just about eeked out 1000 yards, and actually I forgot the other day when you mentioned this but Jared Goff didn't have a good running back when it mattered most. Gurley was injured late in the season and played sparingly in the playoffs and SB and had something like 47 yards in the post season, although granted he helped get them to the playoffs. Cam Newton didn't have a great running back, he had 979 yards and 6 TD's from Jonathan Stewart at 4.1 YPC.

    Go back a little further. The 2009 Saints didn't have a RB over 800 yards and I don't believe at that time Brees was considered a "great".

    Far, far more teams have made the SB with a running back committee than a star RB. That's just a fact. And it's not even remotely close.

    Edmonds, Conner and another would be enough if the rest of the offense is good enough, and if it's not it wouldn't matter anyway because never in history as a team rode a running back anywhere. Not even the best of all time, Barry Sanders.
     
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    Come on man. Hightower had 4 YPC career average and never had more than 736 yards. That's just silly.
     
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    No, my point is that the Eagles are an anomaly. The 2009 Cardinals were an anomaly. One-off teams who weren't built for sustained success and had a run of particularly good games (or in the Eagles case, a run of running into teams who completely **** the bed compared to the rest of their year).

    No team enters the year going "we're going to trade for our starting RB in late October, lose our starting MVP candidate QB in December, and expect to win the Super Bowl."

    The conversation is about what's more likely to happen, of course we can talk about Any Given Sunday scenarios. Every team in our division could come down in the Covid protocols for weeks on end in the fall besides us and we could win the division by default, but let's not pretend it should be our strategy.
     
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    Stout Hold onto the ball, Murray!

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    Have you read anything about what I think about Conner? It's not silly in comparison, taking that into consideration.
     
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    I'm not a moron!

    Wait, give me a moment, I'll check with the wife.

    Ok... on this stuff she says I'm not. ;)
     
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    Eli Manning had the postseason's leading rusher, a guy who had bracketed 1,000 yard seasons but missed part of the season due to health. Matt Ryan had a pro-bowl RB who provided an additional 54 receptions and 462 yards in the air. Remember, the position isn't just what happens on the ground. Jimmy G had a great running system that we don't have, Goff wouldn't have gotten to the Super Bowl or the playoffs without having the RB in the first place, so it's plainly ridiculous to dismiss that. Cam Newton had a Pro Bowl RB in Stewart, whether you like it or not.

    You're grasping at straws trying to point out how useless an RB is.

    Drew Brees had been a 3 time Pro-Bowler up to his run with the Saints, and threw for 5,000 yards just the year prior. Yes, he was absolutely considered great and was well on the way to being considered legendary. It's not like he won that Super Bowl like 2nd year Tom Brady.

    The only reason "committee" backfields have made it to the Super Bowl more in recent history is because of Tom Brady and now Patrick Mahomes.
     
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    Ronin The show stopper

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    Does it matter what any of us think when the stats say otherwise? Conner has 4.3 YPC and a 923 yard season. Conner 2nd best season is only 15 yards shy of Hightowers best.

    Conner is only 600 yards shy of Hightowers career and still has 2 years on him.

    If you think Hightower is better than Conner we have been wasting our time discussing running backs.
     
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    Literally none of that is remotely accurate. It doesn't matter if they had a running back that was once great, or great before, or great after. It matters what happened in the season those teams were at their peak.

    Freeman was never a great running back. Conner made the Pro bowl. If you want to use that then Conner is great no?

    Maybe we should bring in Gurley or Lev Bell. They were great once.

    Ahmad Bradshaw wasn't injured. He played nearly every game that year. Brandon Jacobs was the starter and had 800 yards.

    I could remove the Pats and Chiefs and still easily have more committees than feature backs.

    And who's clutching at straws when you start including air yards?
     
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    Dude, I am talking about the seasons in which they made the playoffs and the point in which they were at in their careers.

    Freeman was one of the most dynamic backs in the league at the time they went to the Super Bowl, and if you disagree, you just weren't watching.

    This has nothing to do with what they did "once." It's what they did in the moment.

    What? Bradshaw missed 4 full games and was only the starter for 9 because of a fractured foot (sorry for the cached link).
    https://webcache.googleusercontent....shaw-fractured-foot+&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

    Wait, are air yards and passing game production suddenly not a thing for RBs? Is this the 1970s? I suppose I should erase 50% of Chase Edmonds' production from any future argument you make for him then. Also the 55 receptions for 500 yards of passing production in James Conner's only Pro Bowl year.
     
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    Those teams running back groups were all better than what the Cards have.

    I don’t get it, what’s wrong with having a good/top RB? The Cards might have the worst RB room in the NFC. When teams have to worry about the run game, it helps the pass game.
    You guys are using SB winning teams as a barometer. That’s a bad comparison when just factoring a run game. A lot of factors go into a SB winning run.
    He’s not my first choice, but I not going to be mad if the Cards select Najee Harris. He’s likely going to be a factor in the league.
    Fwiw, I heard Bill Polian talking about him and he absolutely loves him.
     
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