Path to the draft....trades, rumors, etc

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  1. Solar7

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    Except... the stats on 2nd and 3rd round RBs will blow your argument out of the water, as that's where ~80% of the league's starters come from. That's still high round. Other positions be damned, unless you have an MVP candidate at QB, you still need a good run game.


    Said team let him walk even though he only made under $2 million and is highly likely to take a 1st round RB, so it's ironic.
     
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    Second round is the sweet spot. I hope one is there for us.
     
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    Stout Hold onto the ball, Murray!

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    Right. You just keep repeating the same things as if you're any kind of authority and I should shut up because my opinion has no value. Which is, of course, completely absurd. There's a middle ground between wanting a HOF RB and wanting a starting-quality RB. You can't just plug a crap player in--or a late-round pick in--and automatically be successful. Which, despite many protestations to the contrary, is repeated ad nauseum by so many of the so-called RB experts on this board right now.

    Plus, give me Timmy Hightower over what we have any day. We don't have a good RB on the roster. We have, at best, good-adjacent RBs. Or RB, singular. Plus, baloney that you don't need a good RB. Good is the minimum, because bad RBs aren't going to be elevated no matter the OL talent.
     
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    Tim Hightower....... 5th. round pick.
     
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    Stout Hold onto the ball, Murray!

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    Like that's some kind of mic drop? Exception meet rule LOL

    Please, say it outright--you think ANY late-round pick will do just fine as a starting RB in the NFL. Go ahead. It's what you and others believe. Just admit it lol
     
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    It's a mic drop, everybody knows it's a mic drop.... and "everybody" includes YOU!

    Q: how many exceptions before a rule is no longer a rule? I can think of a Hall of Fame RB who went undrafted, garnered an MVP and Super Bowl?

    (and weak-sauce attempt to drag me in) :)
     
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    Stout Hold onto the ball, Murray!

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    LOL @ the idea I'm trying to drag you in. If that's not your position, say so. If your position is "I'm okay with our RBs and thus am comfortable waiting until the later rounds to address the position," great! I might disagree, but it's reasonable. Say so. If your position is "Literally any RB picked in the late rounds will plug in and be successful," admit you're a moron now and get it over with ;)
     
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    "Higher round running backs perform better than lower round running backs. Except 2nd and 3rd round running backs who are better than 1st round running backs"

    Which is it?
     
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    I'd avoid RB completely this year in 1 or 2. I don't think it's a great class. There's no such thing anymore as a bad RB class, you can get production from most, but there's nobody in round 2 this year that I believe compares to what you would normally find in a good class. There's no Chubbs, Henrys or even Jonathan Taylors I can see this year.

    Harris is the best in the class, and as I said before I don't think he's top 3 in some recent years.
     
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    Stout Hold onto the ball, Murray!

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    I'm sorry, I'm not hungry right now. No thank you to the words you're trying to put into my mouth.

    You don't want to come out and state your actual opinion or stance on the topic? No problem. I'll delineate mine: "I don't think it's smart to wait until the later rounds to draft a RB if you need a starting RB from the draft." I don't have to state "You can't just literally plug anyone it at the position and guarantee success." Spock would sniff and turn his nose up at that.

    So, there. That's my clearly stated opinion on the topic at hand. Without prevarication or equivocation, can you honestly post yours?

    And, who am I kidding; I'm always hungry :)
     
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    I'm no authority on it, the history book is the authority. Analytics are the authority on it. I've shown you years and years of history of superbowl finalists and winners with poor to average RB rooms where starting RB's didn;t top 600 yards, never mind 1k. There's far, far more data saying that you don't need anything better than what we have right now. Then there's a whole bunch of articles about how RB has no value anymore, about how drafting one high or paying one mega money is stupid in todays game.

    And in the face of all this data you still want a high draft pick or a guy that would command $8-$10m a year. Both things which all analytics say are silly.

    I'd still like to add more to the room, I'd like another cheap vet with experience like Gallman. But otherwise I think there's plenty of talent, if our O line and play calling are good.
     
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    I was talking to Solar :)
     
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    Stout Hold onto the ball, Murray!

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    You were talking to the board; I didn't see a quote ;)

    Nice dodge, again, btw. I'm thinking you're maybe in the "Spock is looking at you" category?
     
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    I don't think we'll take a 2nd round RB even if they're there for us anymore, I think Keim thinks he's the smartest guy in the room.

    I have clearly stated my position many times here, which none of you seem to, although you at least got closer in saying "I'd avoid RB completely this year in 1 or 2." Your argument is functionally "don't take an RB this year, we are fine," or as Stout is asking people to be clear about, "you can plug just anyone from the 5th round on and they'll be fine," which is an opinion clearly shot out of the air with simple stats, but you're entitled to your stance.

    My position is "I would take the risk of taking a 1st round running back this year because I do not believe we will have an opportunity to take a back who will make an impact on our offense in the other picks available to us. I do not feel any of the remaining free agent class provides what is needed either."

    Your Super Bowl numbers were already debunked in this very thread. Unless you have the greatest of all time QB, which we don't, you still need a good RB to help you get there unless there's a complete anomaly.

    Using the Eagles as an indicator of how to get to the Super Bowl is basically ridiculous, we all know how unlikely it was for them to get hot and make it. But if we're going to use their run as success, then we don't need Kyler, Colt McCoy is obviously our path to the Super Bowl, since you "can" win it all with a backup QB.

    Long story short: You are making an argument about what this team should do if all things were considered equal with the assets of past teams. Of course other teams are seeing success with 3rd round picks and such. We don't have that luxury.
     
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    Solar's quote was right there in my message you replied to. I wasn't putting words in your mouth.
     

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