Parallels to 2004 offseason

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  1. 1Sun

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    Except that the roster is no longer athletic, and it isn't exceptionally talented, either.
     
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    this is my fear.
     
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    Exactly and we haven't seen it yet, he was a good shooter and shooting tends to translate, I'm honestly higher on Cam than Culver because of that fact , I hated the spot we took Cam at but not the actual prospect part , I think he's going to have a good role right off the bat hitting threes off the bench which isn't flashy but sadly would be one of the better rookie results the sun's have had in the past decade
     
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    OK. I just have a couple questions.

    1. We have two players with star potential, how is that bad?
    2. I get giving up more assets than we like, but we gave up TJ Warren, and second-round picks. Josh Jackson was no longer an asset. I guess the Milwaukee pick was an asset, but not much of one.
    3. How are we capped out? We have $42 million in cap room available next summer. Of course, that depends upon the Oubre signing. Honestly, the way to have the most flexibility moving forward might be in NOT overpaying Oubre. I have been for resigning Oubre at $15 million or so, but who knows how wise that might actually be. They will have to make a decision about Saric and Baynes of course.
     
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    here's my biggest fear with our two players with star potential... I tend to think that's all their potential is, as stars, probably All-Stars, but not superstars. Superstars can control games entirely on their own and most of them (James Harden excepted) are great on both ends of the court and Booker and Ayton don't bring that quality on the defensive end.

    So, if we've just got two stars, I feel like we need at least another star level player to really compete for a title. Bridges ain't that guy. Neither is Oubre. I think they can both turn into GREAT 4th bananas, but if this team is ever going to make that major leap, it's probably gonna have to come from next year's lotto which I think most of us agree we'll be in again.

    Don't remember who asked and what thread it was, but someone brought up what type of player is needed as the third piece next summer and I think it's definitely a star PG of the future. Rubio's only here for 3 years and is a stop-gap at the absolute best. I don't believe he's a legit starter at PG on a title team and apparently Utah agrees. But if we are lucky enough to go PG in next year's lotto which is supposed to have a better PG class then that guy can sit and watch Rubio from bench while getting his feet wet slowly in year 1 (rubies' year 2) and then take over the starting position in his second year (rubio's year 3) and hopefully then we're off to the races.
     
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    Facts don't have a chance in these discussions JC.

    Ty Jerome looks to be a nice addition at #24 using the Bucks pick.
     
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    Capped out in terms of being forced to make moves based on cap considerations - the entire offseason is marked by this. Agree with you on Oubre - over $15M per year is a lot to pay for potential.
     
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    It’s a lot easier to add the third star than the first two. It wasn’t that long ago that we had none.
     
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    Alright I'm done with work and ready to critique your argument, since you're word choice reminded of my logic course a few years back I thought I'd follow your lead. I'll only refer to your first response since the second one commits several subjective fallacies ( but who's post on here doesn't?) and is a pretty blatant disregard of the LAAPs among other things.

    1st response - "oh boy you're leading with this" made me laugh this is a sports forum sorry I didn't take the time to introduce myself and didn't formally present the main premise of my idea

    2nd- we agreed on the Warren trade , 6 for 11 and a year of Saric as a overpay isnt really something you can conclude until next year, mainly if Saric does good and resigns, salary we give him could be debated, and Cam which value to the team I would assume is greater his rookie year whether or not Culver develops into anything tips that argument, bottom line you have to wait and see for that one, none of our posts provide any support for the conclusion of a good/bad trade

    3rd/4th- looking at the trades during this off-season from all teams you can see the value of cap space was at an all time high, JJs cap was 7mil(don't feel like looking up the exact amount but I know something close to that), that number is much higher than is worth bast off statistics he's put up so far. JJ has potential on the court just because he was bad his first two years doesn't mean he can't turn it around, however he is a bust as a person, I mean the guy got his daughter high! Sun's being a young and most likely impressionable team (as young people are) was not something Jones wanted and from reports other teams weren't knocking on their door to take a flier. Long term ( unless he stays out of jail and becomes at minimum a solid 6th man type player) the trade is within the sun's best interest.

    5th- phone auto corrected to the wrong word, if you look at it I said they had a chance at Russell then I misspelled and immediately saying they don't, doesn't make any sense, but going off my uncorrected post yes you are right they could easily nothing to debate their

    6th- Decent in my opinion would be players that either contribute to a. Winning basketball or b. Aid in the development of our young cornerstones, I said when we signed Rubio I didn't like it because we over paid for a PG so no I wasn't happy with that other than the fact that he is better than what we had last year by a mile, and the point behind that is a stop gap , most likely for the PG I presume we'll pick in the PG loaded draft class next year. And we have quite a bit of cap next year as it stands right now so Im not sure what that statement really meant considering there aren't any free agents left to sign

    Am I happy with the off-season? eh. but we've had ALOT worse then this and the team is improved in several (albeit not necessarily substantial) ways

    I assume this post is long so kudos to people who actually read the whole thing
     
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    The pick used to dump Kurt Thomas was used to pick Ibaka who was traded to get Oladipo trade for Paul George traded for 100 picks. Presti is good.
     
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    you literally missed the entire point of my post.
     
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    Prime Marion on this team would be amazing. That’s all I got.
     

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