OT: Kyler Murray Debacle Thread

[WisconsinCard]

You can’t really believe this

I wouldn't have even seen this if it wasn't quoted but....
Typical... King

 

[Weenus O'Baggins]

The boomer posts are the best.

“Da Instagram, in my day QBs sold cars in the off season.”

The world changes guys its ok.

This is an outrageous burn and I won't stand for it

 

[Weenus O'Baggins]

He’s definitely not hurt.

Nope the owner said to stay home and he said sure.

 

[SoonerLou]

If Gannon stays, get ready to make a

“Ty Simpson Debate Thread”

Dante Moore would be getting bust talk.

Ty Simpson would be getting can he be saved by the next coach talk.

Scary if the Cards keep JG.

 

[602 Native]

Link? Every home game has been sold out since 2006. So you think they care if people don't show up? Doubt it as they're laughing all the way to the bank. Nfl license to print money.

Dear lord

 

[WisconsinCard]

lol totally. This fan base is atrocious. The fans and the cardinals deserve each other.

Don't you fall into both of these? So you might have just said I'm atrocious and I deserve this.

 

[SECTION 11]

Don't you fall into both of these? So you might have just said I'm atrocious and I deserve this.

I think we’ve all done our part here.
And what an absolute waste of time it was.

 

[WisconsinCard]

I think we’ve all done our part here.
And what an absolute waste of time it was.

It's been entertaining to say the least. Worst part for me is I drug the whole family into this mess.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

It's been entertaining to say the least.

This year not so much.

 

[punchoutnd]

I just don’t see an obvious long term replacement. We won’t be drafting top 2 in a weak QB draft class (imo) & if we reach for a QB at 5 we’re just really screwing ourselves long term.

Obviously Kyler might have his middle finger up at the organization and we wind up in the above scenario anyway.

That idea really doesn’t hold up historically.​

Draft position matters for opportunity, not talent. Plenty of great QBs were taken outside the top 3 — or even outside the first round entirely — and turned into franchise guys.
Just a few examples:

• Tom Brady – 6th round
• Joe Montana – 3rd round
• Brett Favre – 2nd round
• Drew Brees – 2nd round
• Aaron Rodgers – late 1st, passed over by a lot of teams
• Russell Wilson – 3rd round
• Dak Prescott – 4th round
• Kirk Cousins – 4th round
• Jalen Hurts – 2nd round
• Brock Purdy – literally the last pick of the draft

Meanwhile, for every “top-3 QB” success story, there’s a long list of misses who never lived up to the hype.
QB success is way more about development, coaching, fit, and patience than draft slot. Being taken early just means a team hopes you’re good — it doesn’t guarantee anything. And being taken later doesn’t cap a player’s ceiling.
If drafting outside the top 3 meant “no good,” the NFL record books would look very different.

 

[BooksOrangePlanet]

That idea really doesn’t hold up historically.​

Draft position matters for opportunity, not talent. Plenty of great QBs were taken outside the top 3 — or even outside the first round entirely — and turned into franchise guys.
Just a few examples:

• Tom Brady – 6th round
• Joe Montana – 3rd round
• Brett Favre – 2nd round
• Drew Brees – 2nd round
• Aaron Rodgers – late 1st, passed over by a lot of teams
• Russell Wilson – 3rd round
• Dak Prescott – 4th round
• Kirk Cousins – 4th round
• Jalen Hurts – 2nd round
• Brock Purdy – literally the last pick of the draft

Meanwhile, for every “top-3 QB” success story, there’s a long list of misses who never lived up to the hype.
QB success is way more about development, coaching, fit, and patience than draft slot. Being taken early just means a team hopes you’re good — it doesn’t guarantee anything. And being taken later doesn’t cap a player’s ceiling.
If drafting outside the top 3 meant “no good,” the NFL record books would look very different.

what's the percentage of successful quarterbacks drafted by round? everybody touts the same list of non first round qbs but honestly to me it shows the rarity of scoring a qb in the later rounds - if we're gambling on our future i want the best odds

 

[Zalixar]

That idea really doesn’t hold up historically.​

Draft position matters for opportunity, not talent. Plenty of great QBs were taken outside the top 3 — or even outside the first round entirely — and turned into franchise guys.
Just a few examples:

• Tom Brady – 6th round
• Joe Montana – 3rd round
• Brett Favre – 2nd round
• Drew Brees – 2nd round
• Aaron Rodgers – late 1st, passed over by a lot of teams
• Russell Wilson – 3rd round
• Dak Prescott – 4th round
• Kirk Cousins – 4th round
• Jalen Hurts – 2nd round
• Brock Purdy – literally the last pick of the draft

Meanwhile, for every “top-3 QB” success story, there’s a long list of misses who never lived up to the hype.
QB success is way more about development, coaching, fit, and patience than draft slot. Being taken early just means a team hopes you’re good — it doesn’t guarantee anything. And being taken later doesn’t cap a player’s ceiling.
If drafting outside the top 3 meant “no good,” the NFL record books would look very different.

Wow that Tom Brady fella was in the 6th round, had no idea!!!!!11!!!1!

What's their career starts in college? Did they start in the NFL immediately?

Any pick is a crapshoot, and QB even more so,but higher rounds is just higher odds, not guaranteed

There was a video/interview Brady earlier in the season and said they don't really develop QB's in the NFL anymore (perhaps don't know how?) This was in regards to Caleb Williams, OC's, and leashes, but applied overall.

 

[Weenus O'Baggins]

what's the percentage of successful quarterbacks drafted by round? everybody touts the same list of non first round qbs but honestly to me it shows the rarity of scoring a qb in the later rounds - if we're gambling on our future i want the best odds

Google AI says "solid starter"

Round 1 38%
Round 2 15.6%
Round 3 13%
Round 4 8%
Round 5-7 3%

Now that isn't a pro bowl level player. That is just someone who starts for a few years.

To get to that you are:

Top 5 pick: 61.2%
Top 10 pick: 56%
Picks 11 - 32 44.2%
QBs outside of round 1 13.3%

And to paint that into further perspective, Murray would be considered a "Hit" so to get to really elite the numbers would taper off incredibly.

 

[slanidrac16]

That idea really doesn’t hold up historically.​

Draft position matters for opportunity, not talent. Plenty of great QBs were taken outside the top 3 — or even outside the first round entirely — and turned into franchise guys.
Just a few examples:

• Tom Brady – 6th round
• Joe Montana – 3rd round
• Brett Favre – 2nd round
• Drew Brees – 2nd round
• Aaron Rodgers – late 1st, passed over by a lot of teams
• Russell Wilson – 3rd round
• Dak Prescott – 4th round
• Kirk Cousins – 4th round
• Jalen Hurts – 2nd round
• Brock Purdy – literally the last pick of the draft

Meanwhile, for every “top-3 QB” success story, there’s a long list of misses who never lived up to the hype.
QB success is way more about development, coaching, fit, and patience than draft slot. Being taken early just means a team hopes you’re good — it doesn’t guarantee anything. And being taken later doesn’t cap a player’s ceiling.
If drafting outside the top 3 meant “no good,” the NFL record books would look very different.

The problem with this theory is nobody is in desperate need of a Qb ( like we are) and can afford to wait until the 6th round.
Purdy would have been run out of Arizona by now playing for this lame organization. Take a look at all the Qb’s mention. What do they have in common?
Winning organizations.

 

[kerouac9]

Google AI says "solid starter"

Why do people keep doing this? It’s obviously wrong. Cmon.

 

[Weenus O'Baggins]

Why do people keep doing this? It’s obviously wrong. Cmon.

Because you should use AI whenever possible if you intend to stay in any white collar job.

 

[Weenus O'Baggins]

Why do people keep doing this? It’s obviously wrong. Cmon.

It did provide a range on that data as it is pulling from several sources. I just pulled the lower end and stayed consistent with it.

 

[Mulli]

Because you should use AI whenever possible if you intend to stay in any white collar job.

Why? Use it, sure. But also, check the results as often as possible.

AI results, while super fast, are as reliable as a kid right out of school.

 

[Weenus O'Baggins]

This seems to be the primary source though

How successful are quarterbacks drafted in Round 1?

Here are the numbers since 2010, and they are not encouraging

www.bigblueview.com

That’s 19 out of 49 drafted quarterbacks currently in the ‘solid starter’ or above category, a hit rate of 38.8%. If you are looking for Hall of Fame or absolute franchise quarterback as your standard, that’s 12 of 49, or 24.5%. Take out the five incompletes, those percentages are 44.1 and 27.2.
The disappointments category has 18 names or 36.7%. Combine that with the seven quarterbacks in the ‘low-end’ category and that is 51% who did not or have not yet given teams what they hoped to get out of a first-round quarterback.

 

[Weenus O'Baggins]

Why? Use it, sure. But also, check the results as often as possible.

AI results, while super fast, are as reliable as a kid right out of school.

If you use Google AI, the various sources are next to the output.

 

[Mulli]

If you use Google AI, the various sources are next to the output.

Congratulations. Haha jk.

I love when AI provides the source

 

[kerouac9]

It did provide a range on that data as it is pulling from several sources. I just pulled the lower end and stayed consistent with it.

Do you really believe. That it’s a better than one in ten shot you get a guy who is going to start for “at least a few years” in the third round of the draft?

Buddy. Let’s not just copy and paste garbage here.

 

[Weenus O'Baggins]

Do you really believe. That it’s a better than one in ten shot you get a guy who is going to start for “at least a few years” in the third round of the draft?

Buddy. Let’s not just copy and paste garbage here.

Well it is probably due to the low volume of QBs drafted in round 3

 

[Mulli]

I feel like message board “etiquette” calls for me to point out that few really wear white collars anymore.

:BIM:

 

[Weenus O'Baggins]

AI went back pretty far but I just went to 2010 and only one QB was drafted, Colt McCoy, who started 36 games. So that one hit will skew many years of data