OT: Kyler Murray Debacle Thread

[StreetTruckinTitan]

“Jacoby runs this offense so much better”

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Wilson and McBride love them some Brisket!

 

[BullheadCardFan]

People are mad a younger generations having cool video games instead of space invaders and pong

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[MaoTosiFanClub]

I thought the team that is tanking and trying to save money put him on the injured list

He’s definitely not hurt.

 

[602 Native]

Heads will explode

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[unseenaz]

Heads will explode

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I'd keep K1 for one more season if we bring in Daboll, if we keep Gannon let him get a crack with a dif QB.

 

[slanidrac16]

Heads will explode

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Said this 3 weeks ago.

 

[kerouac9]

Heads will explode

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I completely believe this. I’m kinda okay with it if it means Gannon and Monti go.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

Heads will explode

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Interesting...

 

[Cheesebeef]

I completely believe this. I’m kinda okay with it if it means Gannon and Monti go.

I took that option also.

 

[krazy2k]

I completely believe this. I’m kinda okay with it if it means Gannon and Monti go.

So you are OK with another season of the turtle - including the regular 2nd half meltdown that leads to yet another dismal season? We Cardinals' fans seem to embrace losing better than any other fanbase in the NFL.

 

[kerouac9]

So you are OK with another season of the turtle - including the regular 2nd half meltdown that leads to yet another dismal season? We Cardinals' fans seem to embrace losing better than any other fanbase in the NFL.

If it’s a choice between a guy who gives us a chance in most games in Kyler and a team who will be an anchor to the organization for the near future, I’m choosing Kyler.

Neither are good options, but Monti and Gannon havent shown the ability to do anything.

 

[602 Native]

I'd keep K1 for one more season if we bring in Daboll, if we keep Gannon let him get a crack with a dif QB.

Not a popular take but I get it.

I think we have to move him just out of sheer change. This relationship has been toxic for a while.

 

[602 Native]

Said this 3 weeks ago.

I actually don’t want this at this point.

The Cards need to prove they can win without him and he needs to prove he can be the guy.

Neither of those things will happen if we keep him.

This smells like a desperate move by Bidwill, M. after seeing the horrific product on the field without K1. It was the best product with him but there was always a hope of a win with K1. I haven’t felt that in months.

The season ticket base has shrunk, national media knows we are a joke (like the die hards have know for months), and ratings are in the toilet. Bidwill, M. can’t stomach that next year and keeping K1 takes the heat off him a bit.

 

[unseenaz]

Not a popular take but I get it.

I think we have to move him just out of sheer change. This relationship has been toxic for a while.

I just don’t see an obvious long term replacement. We won’t be drafting top 2 in a weak QB draft class (imo) & if we reach for a QB at 5 we’re just really screwing ourselves long term.

Obviously Kyler might have his middle finger up at the organization and we wind up in the above scenario anyways.

 

[DVontel]

If Gannon stays, get ready to make a

“Ty Simpson Debate Thread”

 

[Stout]

If Gannon stays, get ready to make a

“Ty Simpson Debate Thread”

Nah, not from me. I'm not in favor of drafting him, but would give the kid time to see if he can develop.

 

[punchoutnd]

Stats don’t determine who the better quarterback is. They’re second-order, not primary. QB numbers are driven by scheme, coaching, protection rules, receivers, and game script. They tell you what happened, not why.
Quarterback evaluation starts with the eye test. Pocket movement, pressure response, decision speed, and composure can’t be captured in a box score. You can tell quickly whether a QB uses the pocket or runs from it.
This same ignorance shows up with offensive line talk. About 98% of fans don’t know what good O-line play looks like. They judge linemen by sack totals and rushing yards—both lazy metrics.
Most sacks are on the quarterback. Holding the ball, drifting backward, missing pressure, or bailing early makes any line look bad.
And allowing sacks does not mean you’re a bad team.
Good coaching overcomes sacks with smart play-calling and situational management. Bad coaching and bad QB play turn one sack into a drive-killer—1st-and-10 becomes 3rd-and-26.
Example:

• New England Patriots: 26th in sacks allowed, 13-3 record
• Arizona Cardinals: 27th in sacks allowed, 3-13 record

Same sack range. Wildly different results.
The difference isn’t the offensive line.
It’s coaching, game management that mostly win games.
Film tells the truth.
Stats just confirm it.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

If Gannon stays, get ready to make a

“Ty Simpson Debate Thread”

Not enough college experience.

 

[SoonerLou]

Not enough college experience.

There is a Mac Jones like fear with him. I do think his arm is better and he moves better. Just not ideal experience. However, unlike Mac he wasnt on a stacked Alabama squad. Still could JG make his rookie year look like Mac's last year in New England? Possibly.

For Ty or any other rookie I'd bring in a new coach.

However, I'll freely admit if no Mendoza I'd prefer waiting until 2027 for a QB. We need guys who can potentially be culture builders.

 

[Chopper0080]

There is a Mac Jones like fear with him. I do think his arm is better and he moves better. Just not ideal experience. However, unlike Mac he wasnt on a stacked Alabama squad. Still could JG make his rookie year look like Mac's last year in New England? Possibly.

For Ty or any other rookie I'd bring in a new coach.

However, I'll freely admit if no Mendoza I'd prefer waiting until 2027 for a QB. We need guys who can potentially be culture builders.

To be clear...this is assuming their current growth curve. You could argue that Ty Simpson is a better player right now than any of the 2027 draft class prospects.

People were saying the same thing about Sellars last year and now he has decided to go back to school another year because he didn't progress to the level of being a top QB prospect in this draft class.

 

[WisconsinCard]

I actually don’t want this at this point.

The Cards need to prove they can win without him and he needs to prove he can be the guy.

Neither of those things will happen if we keep him.

This smells like a desperate move by Bidwill, M. after seeing the horrific product on the field without K1. It was the best product with him but there was always a hope of a win with K1. I haven’t felt that in months.

The season ticket base has shrunk, national media knows we are a joke (like the die hards have know for months), and ratings are in the toilet. Bidwill, M. can’t stomach that next year and keeping K1 takes the heat off him a bit.

Link? Every home game has been sold out since 2006. So you think they care if people don't show up? Doubt it as they're laughing all the way to the bank. Nfl license to print money.

 

[kerouac9]

Every home game has been sold out since 2006.

You can’t really believe this

 

[some dumb guy]

Stats don’t determine who the better quarterback is. They’re second-order, not primary. QB numbers are driven by scheme, coaching, protection rules, receivers, and game script. They tell you what happened, not why.
Quarterback evaluation starts with the eye test. Pocket movement, pressure response, decision speed, and composure can’t be captured in a box score. You can tell quickly whether a QB uses the pocket or runs from it.
This same ignorance shows up with offensive line talk. About 98% of fans don’t know what good O-line play looks like. They judge linemen by sack totals and rushing yards—both lazy metrics.
Most sacks are on the quarterback. Holding the ball, drifting backward, missing pressure, or bailing early makes any line look bad.
And allowing sacks does not mean you’re a bad team.
Good coaching overcomes sacks with smart play-calling and situational management. Bad coaching and bad QB play turn one sack into a drive-killer—1st-and-10 becomes 3rd-and-26.
Example:

• New England Patriots: 26th in sacks allowed, 13-3 record
• Arizona Cardinals: 27th in sacks allowed, 3-13 record

Same sack range. Wildly different results.
The difference isn’t the offensive line.
It’s coaching, game management that mostly win games.
Film tells the truth.
Stats just confirm it.

Common sense and factual information is generally frowned upon on this forum.......just saying

LOL

 

[SECTION 11]

You can’t really believe this

lol totally. This fan base is atrocious. The fans and the cardinals deserve each other.

 

[WisconsinCard]

lol totally. This fan base is atrocious. The fans and the cardinals deserve each other.

It's what's reported so I would venture a guess that the other owners would want their cut of a sold out stadium.

Just because seats are empty doesn't mean they were not sold.