OT: Kyler Murray Debacle Thread

[Cheesebeef]

Trading Kyler for a 6th rounder would be typical Cards. This strange benching has been abysmal for whatever trade value he once had.

Unless he’s actually been injured, which I find hard to believe, I totally agree.

 

[GatorAZ]

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[Dback Jon]

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Straight up one for one

 

[kerouac9]

Trading Kyler for a 6th rounder would be typical Cards. This strange benching has been abysmal for whatever trade value he once had.

Also every fansite with a soft QB situation will be posting speculation like this until at least mid-March. It’s going to be super-annoying.

 

[b8rtm8nn]

Also every fansite with a soft QB situation will be posting speculation like this until at least mid-March. It’s going to be super-annoying.

Buckle up, the joy is competition.

 

[GatorAZ]

Straight up one for one

Yeah they have pretty equal value because Crosby isn’t elite anymore.

 

[Stout]

Trading Kyler for a 6th rounder would be typical Cards. This strange benching has been abysmal for whatever trade value he once had.

It's a salary dump trade with the Steelers taking it all on. Other trades with us mocked as getting more back have us sharing the salary.

 

[Stout]

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Do it!

 

[Stout]

Straight up one for one

Bwahahaha! Even da Raidahs aren't that dumb.

 

[football karma]

It's a salary dump trade with the Steelers taking it all on. Other trades with us mocked as getting more back have us sharing the salary.

yep -- I think its going to be a tradeoff between cap relief gained by the Cards vs draft comp coming back in

personally, I would rather eat most of Kylers 2026 guarantee to get the highest pick possible.

Easy for me to say tho

 

[Dback Jon]

Bwahahaha! Even da Raidahs aren't that dumb.

Kyler plays a more premium position and Crosby will be coming off of knee surgery

 

[Yuma]

Yeah they have pretty equal value because Crosby isn’t elite anymore.

Yeah, but he still motors in games. You get a lot more efort out of Maxx playing on an injured knee this season, than Kyler when healthy, imho.

 

[Yuma]

I see ESPN analysts, etc, saying teams will give the Cards premium picks/players to get Kyler. I just don't see it. If they didn't have to pay that oversized salary, maybe. It's just not a value to pay a guy that much with the win rate he has. Again, just my opinion. Hoping to be shocked by a high pick coming back for Kyler. Expecting to maybe have to waive him, LOL.

 

[daves]

Trading Kyler for a 6th rounder would be typical Cards. This strange benching has been abysmal for whatever trade value he once had.

Murray's body of work and on the record quotes have been abyssimal for his trade value. That's all that matters, not anything the Cardinals have said or done with him.

 

[slanidrac16]

Murray's body of work and on the record quotes have been abyssimal for his trade value. That's all that matters, not anything the Cardinals have said or done with him.

We are too close to the situation. We see the flaws play after play, game after game.
There are teams that are starving for a qb. There are teams that will believe they can ignite his career and abilities.
I believe there are teams that will overpay.
But here is the key. Kyler. If a deal can be worked out with a team he desires then contracts can be reworked, extended yada yada yada.
It to Kyler’s benefit to work with the Cardinals. He is still under contract. Bidwill is not going to allow him to just be cut and walk away. He’d let him sulk on the bench before that happens.
One other point. If Gannon is fired an incoming coach may THINK the same thing. “ I can get the most out of Kyler”.
Kyler is a Cardinal until he isn’t.

 

[kerouac9]

We are too close to the situation. We see the flaws play after play, game after game.
There are teams that are starving for a qb. There are teams that will believe they can ignite his career and abilities.
I believe there are teams that will overpay.
But here is the key. Kyler. If a deal can be worked out with a team he desires then contracts can be reworked, extended yada yada yada.
It to Kyler’s benefit to work with the Cardinals. He is still under contract. Bidwill is not going to allow him to just be cut and walk away. He’d let him sulk on the bench before that happens.
One other point. If Gannon is fired an incoming coach may THINK the same thing. “ I can get the most out of Kyler”.
Kyler is a Cardinal until he isn’t.

Cope

Teams considering getting Kyler are gonna watch every snap from the past two seasons and see a guy with no ambition whatsoever

 

[slanidrac16]

Cope

Teams considering getting Kyler are gonna watch every snap from the past two seasons and see a guy with no ambition whatsoever

They will also consider the total ineptness of a losing franchise.
Kingsbury believed it. Gannon believed it. You can bet there is others that believe it.
We can talk about how much salary we will have to eat and break it down a dozen different ways. But Kyler is a Cardinal today, tomorrow and until he isn’t. We don’t HAVE to trade him. We don’t HAVE to release him. We don’t HAVE to give up picks to move him.

I hate to say it but right now I believe there’s a slightly better chance Gannon gets fired and Kyler returns more than the other way around.

But hey, what do I know?

 

[kerouac9]

They will also consider the total ineptness of a losing franchise.

They probably won’t, actually. NFL teams don’t think like this. This is fan thinking.

Kingsbury believed it. Gannon believed it

And it got one of them fired and very likely going to get the other fired in a couple weeks here. The #1 priority and concern for every GM and head coach out there is not getting fired. Kyler presents the opposite of that.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

The Raiders aren't trading for Murray.

 

[slanidrac16]

They probably won’t, actually. NFL teams don’t think like this. This is fan thinking.



And it got one of them fired and very likely going to get the other fired in a couple weeks here. The #1 priority and concern for every GM and head coach out there is not getting fired. Kyler presents the opposite of that.

I’m going to hold on to the hope that there is someone out there stupider than us…

 

[BullheadCardFan]

I’m going to hold on to the hope that there is someone out there stupider than us…

Short list when you put it that way

 

[slanidrac16]

Short list when you put it that way

It only takes one!

 

[Dback Jon]

It only takes one!

Just remember, there are many teams out there with boards full of fans convinced their quarterback is the worst ever in looking wistfully at other teams QB

 

[BooksOrangePlanet]

just kidding - go draftinals!

 

[Dback Jon]

Yes, once they decided to tank the season playing JB was the best move