OT: Kyler Murray Debacle Thread

[DaHilg]

Kyler has had the likes of Fitz, D-Hop, Conner, McBride, and others and has one playoff game in six years.

Im not gonna pin everything on Kyler, but at some point, in six years, the QB has to be the obvious stabilizing force of the franchise, which Palmer and Warner were.

BTW - im far from the biggest Kingsbury fan, but the better Daniels plays, the worse it looks for Kyler.

I’m sorry but this is a really bad take… Fitz was maybe a WR4 on his last leg when kyler joined the team? Maybe?

How many games did Nuk miss due to hamstring issues and the suspension? When available the connection was great.

McBride just started coming along midway last year… when kyler was coming from his injury.

Connor is a RB and a great safety valve and screen play but nothing more than that as receiver.

 

[Russ Smith]

Other than the terrible pick I thought he played ok. Given I've had a sinus thing for a week and they said Kyler had one before the game, I was kind of expecting him NOT to run much so that didn't surprise me.

He just has to stop making those dumb decisions though as I said in the game thread not only was it a pick, he could easily have gotten a concussion on that play.

 

[TJ]

I’m sorry but this is a really bad take… Fitz was maybe a WR4 on his last leg when kyler joined the team? Maybe?

How many games did Nuk miss due to hamstring issues and the suspension? When available the connection was great.

McBride just started coming along midway last year… when kyler was coming from his injury.

Connor is a RB and a great safety valve and screen play but nothing more than that as receiver.

The bottom line is he’s had more than enough talent to have continued success and make a legitimate charge for the playoffs. Arguing that the talent is lacking around him is just dishonest. Further, he doesn’t make anyone better. Is it coincidental that Christian Kirk had his best season with Trevor Lawrence?

 

[kerouac9]

Still hasn’t thrown a TD to his best receiver

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Never said he was lol, you guys seriously read what you want to read. I said it was a ******** pass and QBs do that sometimes. They do it more when they constantly have to push to carry the lack of surrounding talent. Make sense? Love Trey dude actually gets open and Kyler finds him if others could do the same it would be tremendously helpful to this archaic OCs gameplan. Hit Marvin on beautiful slant yesterday for like 26 then our genius OC puts that play away and doesn’t run it again bc all day makes zero sense! Lots of issues I just simply don’t place them on one guy which a bunch of people like to do, just because of his paycheck. It’s ignorant and short sighted, why not blame the franchise sitting on cash when we need desperate upgrades all over?

You keep saying this. It’s wrong. Find another excuse.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Neither home grown and had to learn with the Cards as rookies.

I know right? Palmer got tutelage under those traditional powerhouse teams the bengals and raiders.

 

[TJ]

For the Kyler fans: It's totally fine to demand that your #1 pick $50mil QB be a Top-5 player at his position and demonstrate that he can play in the postseason. I'll settle for Top-10 at this point. As it stands, he's in the same category as Geno Smith, Sam Darnold, and other mediocre QBs. You cant argue that he's better than guys like Tua, and that's a standard that he *absolutely* needs to hit

 

[Phrazbit]

The Ayton comparison is pretty solid. Ayton could dazzle at times, he talked a big talk, looked pretty good on the stat sheet overall... he also shrunk in most big moments and when things got dicey in huge games he was a gutless quitter.

Murray is not there yet, but a lack of opportunity is the only reservation. We have 3 huge games coming up, if he does well he will host a playoff game. He's got every opportunity to reverse the narrative.

 

[Phrazbit]

I actually do believe he is injured but doesn't excuse it

This is what I was trying to convey a few weeks back.

He clearly is lacking the burst he a couple months ago, he's banged up... but everyone gets banged up, if you cannot function when you're not 100% in the NFL, it's a serious problem.

 

[Stout]

Yeah real weird a Super Bowl mvp QB won here with more weapons than Kyler has ever been provided not to mention the excellent coaching by he had as well….

You give Kyler the same protection that Warner had, or lack thereof, and he'd be lucky to complete 50% of his passes. Warner was a master at facing down the pass rush and getting the ball out quickly. Kyler is...the opposite.

 

[schutd]

I cant believe i've read all 85 pages of this thread. It's literally the same thing, page after page, week after week....

 

[Chopper0080]

I cant believe i've read all 85 pages of this thread. It's literally the same thing, page after page, week after week....

Almost like Kyler hasn't changed much.

 

[D-Dogg]

I actually do believe he is injured but doesn't excuse it

Definitely does not excuse it, 100% agree. But something just isn't right. And it's limiting.

 

[MrYeahBut]

You know that's all K1 right? No DP to blame that on. He's calling the plays and he getting to do whatever he wants. But now we'll blame the turf or the grass.

It's your fault. Everyone knows it. Go find another board somewhere!

 

[WisconsinCard]

It's your fault. Everyone knows it. Go find another board somewhere!

 

[BritCard]

Does anyone else think Kylers nursing a leg injury? I remember he came off limping a few weeks ago and I think it's either nagging him or it's in his head. His wheels don't look the same recently, and he's giving up runs instead of bursting. Something looks different pre and post bye week.

Not really, he'd be on the injury report and he's not been on once.

 

[Shane]

This is what I was trying to convey a few weeks back.

He clearly is lacking the burst he a couple months ago, he's banged up... but everyone gets banged up, if you cannot function when you're not 100% in the NFL, it's a serious problem.

There is also a huge difference between being banged up and actually hurt. The guy isn’t even on the injury report week to week.. so what he’s dealing with can’t be that bad.

You see players all around the league on the injury report week to week but yet still go out out and play and producing at several positions. The fact that he’s not even on it or listed, makes me question. How hurt can he actually be???

 

[ASUCHRIS]

There is also a huge difference between being banged up and actually hurt. The guy isn’t even on the injury report week to week.. so what he’s dealing with can’t be that bad.

You see players all around the league on the injury report week to week but yet still go out out and play and producing at several positions. The fact that he’s not even on it or listed, makes me question. How hurt can he actually be???

Enough to make him considerably less effective, apparently. He's apparently a Lambo, that can perform spectacularly when 100% but is too fragile to deal with any bumps in the road. Not great in a league where every game is like being in multiple car accidents!

 

[TRW]

I cant believe i've read all 85 pages of this thread. It's literally the same thing, page after page, week after week....

This is the Way.

 

[DVontel]

Not really, he'd be on the injury report and he's not been on once.

I don’t think this is necessarily true.

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[TJ]

Almost like Kyler hasn't changed much.

I dont think Chiefs or Bills fans have 85 page debate threads about their QB1s. That in and of itself is telling.

 

[Shane]

I dont think Chiefs or Bills fans have 85 page debate threads about their QB1s. That in and of itself is telling.

I think you mean like 400 page… All the other ones were shut down and we were forced to go to this one. This one’s relatively new. Lol

 

[BullheadCardFan]

I think you mean like 400 page… All the other ones were shut down and we were forced to go to this one. This one’s relatively new. Lol

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[PDXChris]

Geno and Purdy aren’t better than K1.

Geno has a high football IQ now, but he's also 34 and was a backup for 7 years. Kyler has had a much better start to his career. Hopefully, Kyler gets better there. I don't know what Prudy is! Is the league catching up to him, or are injuries in the 49ers hurting him. I do hope he gets $60 million a year.

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[Dr. Jones]

Welp.... We are one win from another big prime time game in LA against the Rams.

What are the odds that he blows it?
O/U on 2 INT's?
O/U on 35 rushing yards?
O/U on 2.5 total TD's?