OT: Arch Manning

[Lorenzo]

oof. Manning outplayed Mateer by a mile, which was a little surprising, but I thought the UT defense played a great game too.

Beating OU is one way to earn a little goodwill with the UT faithful, so Manning helped himself some today. Still not sure if he'll be any good on Sundays though. Hard to play QB in the NFL.

UT defense did play great today. I'm not surprised by that though. I'm more surprised that mateer played so soon. he didn't look ready. but the other idea of playing the backup was probably not a good one either.

watching the start of the Florida A&M game now and it looks like maybe Florida is a little better than people were giving them credit. especially their two freshman WR's.

As for Arch, he just needs to keep working. he's not in the NFL now. just needs to enjoy himself at Texas. that's a great place to be if you can win games.

 

[GatorAZ]

oof. Manning outplayed Mateer by a mile, which was a little surprising, but I thought the UT defense played a great game too.

Beating OU is one way to earn a little goodwill with the UT faithful, so Manning helped himself some today. He looked pretty good.

Still not sure if he'll play on Sundays though. Hard to play QB in the NFL.

Manning outplayed a QB with a broken thumb. He still looked mid just a higher version of mid. Made some nice throws on the run.

 

[Lorenzo]

Manning outplayed a QB with a broken thumb. He still looked mid just a higher version of mid. Made some nice throws on the run.

from a non UT perspective I can see that. It's tough for me to stay grounded (at least today) because the UT/OU game is so big for the school that wins.

the OU QB looked capable of making throws, he just made some very dumb ones that cost them the game IMO. and their Time management to end the first half was criminal. I would be calling for the coach to get sacked. OU can't run the ball and once they got behind, UT took away his quick reads and made him hold the ball. it's actually the same exact formula that the Florida defense used against Arch last week.

Arch also executed some great runs on third down and iced the game with his feet. a lot of it was the patience that he and Sark both exhibited. they can win that way with the defense that they have. and I only have to hope that Arch continues to improve.

 

[HairZach]

Manning outplayed a QB with a broken thumb. He still looked mid just a higher version of mid. Made some nice throws on the run.

Mateer didn't look limited by his thumb. He played his usual game, including 14 rushing attempts. He just made terrible decision and had 3 turnovers.

Manning right now is Case McCoy. Noodle armed game manager that can scramble.

 

[ajcardfan]

It was an ugly, ugly game. Really, considering how close it was, one of the worst played tu-ou games I can ever remember.

IDK, Mendoza played solid. Ty Simpson looks like he has gotten a lot better as the season has gone on but he still makes some bad throws here and there.

 

[Lorenzo]

It was an ugly, ugly game. Really, considering how close it was, one of the worst played tu-ou games I can ever remember.

IDK, Mendoza played solid. Ty Simpson looks like he has gotten a lot better as the season has gone on but he still makes some bad throws here and there.

I think 2009 and 2001/2002 (Roy Williams sacking Chris Simms for a TD) were worse and lower scoring than this one. but then they had other games that were like 48-45 and for me I don't necessarily enjoy those no defense games.

 

[Lorenzo]

Mateer didn't look limited by his thumb. He played his usual game, including 14 rushing attempts. He just made terrible decision and had 3 turnovers.

Manning right now is Case McCoy. Noodle armed game manager that can scramble.

Case McCoy could scramble? I know Colt could, but he also couldn't run much without being stretchered off the field.

 

[vince56]

Mateer didn't look limited by his thumb. He played his usual game, including 14 rushing attempts. He just made terrible decision and had 3 turnovers.

Rough to watch - you know the kid has talent and a really strong arm, but he throws so many long errant passes, he's just a bad decision maker at QB.

 

[Harry]

Writing him off this early is a mistake

 

[az jam]

Writing him off this early is a mistake

I totally agree.He is only 21 years of age and this is his first season as a starter. The key will be for him not going into the draft but staying another year at Texas.

 

[602 Native]

Dude is a dud and a Manning and will never be allowed to come here.

 

[ajcardfan]

Writing him off this early is a mistake

This isn't Allar and you can blame his coach for making him look worse than he really is. Sarkisian has a history of making college QBs look better than they turn out to be.

Look at his 6 QBs drafted in the first round: Palmer, Leinart, Sanchez, Tua, Mac Jones and Jake Locker. This is his THIRD year with Sarkisian and he isn't as good as any of those guys at the same point!

 

[Russ Smith]

My thing is the mechanics are bad, how can you be related to THREE NFL QB's and be so bad mechanically? And his arm isn't that great. Maybe better mechanics helps the arm too but so far I don't see it.

We are seeing week after week why he didn't start right away when we all thought he would

 

[Lorenzo]

This isn't Allar and you can blame his coach for making him look worse than he really is. Sarkisian has a history of making college QBs look better than they turn out to be.

Look at his 6 QBs drafted in the first round: Palmer, Leinart, Sanchez, Tua, Mac Jones and Jake Locker. This is his THIRD year with Sarkisian and he isn't as good as any of those guys at the same point!

well devil's advocate to this would be: Why has Sark had no backup plan to Arch after Ewers left? If Arch sucks that bad, why would Sark being the great QB coach as he is, continue to go with Arch and have no other plan? Surely by year 3 would he not bring someone else into the Texas Varsity School?

 

[Lorenzo]

I totally agree.He is only 21 years of age and this is his first season as a starter. The key will be for him not going into the draft but staying another year at Texas.

He’s young and he has to figure out his timing in the pocket. There’s a balance of how much he can run/scramble and how much he needs to throw on time in the pocket. Some of that includes o-line play. I thought for the first time against OU there was balance and patience with their offense. Manning’s running was incredibly effective by waiting to use it late, after he converted third downs with his arm and after the running back had success on the ground.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

My thing is the mechanics are bad, how can you be related to THREE NFL QB's and be so bad mechanically? And his arm isn't that great. Maybe better mechanics helps the arm too but so far I don't see it.

We are seeing week after week why he didn't start right away when we all thought he would

We're also seeing why he never complained about not starting or threatened to leave. He probably gets exposed if he does.

 

[ajcardfan]

well devil's advocate to this would be: Why has Sark had no backup plan to Arch after Ewers left? If Arch sucks that bad, why would Sark being the great QB coach as he is, continue to go with Arch and have no other plan? Surely by year 3 would he not bring someone else into the Texas Varsity School?

Because these kids have so many options they are going to go where they can play. It probably was not easy to talk 5 star QBs into going there the last couple of years knowing there was Ewers and then Manning. Now? He probably can talk another hot shot QB to coming to Texas.

When you have someone who can coach Jake Locker into a first round pick the problem probably isn't the coach it's probably the QB.

That said, the QB situation in the NFL has been so dire I won't be the least bit surprised if Manning does get drafted in round 1 probably the year after next. Besides, he does have a chance to start correcting the bad habits he has and he does have some bad habits.

 

[Lorenzo]

Because these kids have so many options they are going to go where they can play. It probably was not easy to talk 5 star QBs into going there the last couple of years knowing there was Ewers and then Manning. Now? He probably can talk another hot shot QB to coming to Texas.

When you have someone who can coach Jake Locker into a first round pick the problem probably isn't the coach it's probably the QB.

That said, the QB situation in the NFL has been so dire I won't be the least bit surprised if Manning does get drafted in round 1 probably the year after next. Besides, he does have a chance to start correcting the bad habits he has and he does have some bad habits.

there's also the transfer portal now. most of the other top programs are just exchanging QBs in the portal. Miami/OU/Ohio State/Oregon have all had instant success. Ewers transferred from Ohio State to Texas. My point is that if Sark thought Arch is not able to be developed at Texas, why would he have not moved on by now when he could have plugged a starter instead.

My other thought is yes Arch has been in the program for 2-3 years. But he hasn't started a lot of games in that span. In practice it's easier to manage mechanics. In a live game it's a different story. He needs more reps in games.

The NFL is tough to gauge. You really never know which guys in college are going to be good NFL QBs. There are many college QBs that got written off or overlooked that had success in the NFL. Tom Brady to name one. I heard people say he had a weak arm coming out of college. on the flip side there are many guys that were massive busts in the NFL.

 

[ajcardfan]

there's also the transfer portal now. most of the other top programs are just exchanging QBs in the portal. Miami/OU/Ohio State/Oregon have all had instant success. Ewers transferred from Ohio State to Texas. My point is that if Sark thought Arch is not able to be developed at Texas, why would he have not moved on by now when he could have plugged a starter instead.

My other thought is yes Arch has been in the program for 2-3 years. But he hasn't started a lot of games in that span. In practice it's easier to manage mechanics. In a live game it's a different story. He needs more reps in games.

The NFL is tough to gauge. You really never know which guys in college are going to be good NFL QBs. There are many college QBs that got written off or overlooked that had success in the NFL. Tom Brady to name one. I heard people say he had a weak arm coming out of college. on the flip side there are many guys that were massive busts in the NFL.

The main reason why he wouldn't do that is the last name "Manning". They have a lot of political power in the football world and have used it. To say "Manning just isn't good, I want this guy" would've been politically a bad idea. Not that he would get fired, but you know the NIL money would've taken a hard hit

 

[Lorenzo]

The main reason why he wouldn't do that is the last name "Manning". They have a lot of political power in the football world and have used it. To say "Manning just isn't good, I want this guy" would've been politically a bad idea. Not that he would get fired, but you know the NIL money would've taken a hard hit

that is a good point. the last name creates a lot of noise across the spectrum. I do think beyond just the name, Arch has shown a level of talent to this point. I thought he was really good in one of the games I watched last year live in Austin. he was making throws that were very high level all around the field. This year has been difficult for him, and he has to pick it up. beating OU is a huge step in the right direction. a week ago this time he and the horns were basically left for dead by some people.

 

[GatorAZ]

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[Russ Smith]

there's also the transfer portal now. most of the other top programs are just exchanging QBs in the portal. Miami/OU/Ohio State/Oregon have all had instant success. Ewers transferred from Ohio State to Texas. My point is that if Sark thought Arch is not able to be developed at Texas, why would he have not moved on by now when he could have plugged a starter instead.

My other thought is yes Arch has been in the program for 2-3 years. But he hasn't started a lot of games in that span. In practice it's easier to manage mechanics. In a live game it's a different story. He needs more reps in games.

The NFL is tough to gauge. You really never know which guys in college are going to be good NFL QBs. There are many college QBs that got written off or overlooked that had success in the NFL. Tom Brady to name one. I heard people say he had a weak arm coming out of college. on the flip side there are many guys that were massive busts in the NFL.

Not draft related at all but interesting note on Brady. The first pass he threw in a game at Michigan, was intercepted for a touchdown! Remarkable career for a guy who was primarily known for baseball in HS